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04-16-2008 , 12:39 PM
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CO: $748.00
BTN: $363.30
SB: $604.00
BB: $600.00
Hero (UTG): $561.00

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $18, 1 fold, BTN calls $18, 2 folds

Flop: ($45.00) 4 T 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $35, BTN raises to $84, Hero raises to $543 all in, BTN calls $261.30 all in

Turn: ($735.60) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($735.60) J (2 players - 2 are all in)

He has J9 of hearts

He then rebought for 385 and wont his hand, where he had Q9o

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BB: $600.00
UTG: $385.10
MP: $592.00
CO: $525.00
BTN: $651.00
Hero (SB): $901.30

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K Q
UTG calls $6, 3 folds, Hero raises to $36, 1 fold, UTG calls $30

Flop: ($78.00) 9 T Q (2 players)
Hero bets $59, UTG raises to $138, Hero raises to $489, UTG calls $211.10 all in

Turn: ($776.20) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($776.20) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $776.20
UTG shows 9s Qs (two pairs, Queens and Nines)
Hero shows Kd Qh (a pair of Queens)
Hero wins $0.00
UTG wins $773.20
(Rake: $3.00)




We played these 2 hands first ^^. He is running at 28/9 with 5.2% 3 bet and
2.3/3/3 aggro over a large datamined sample, I have never played with him. Thoughts on turn, is it close or clear either way?

*edit*, he shoved pretty fast over my turn bet, other guy in hand ws a tag reg

2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

MP: $600.00
CO: $772.60
BTN: $585.00
SB: $582.00
BB: $678.00
Hero (UTG): $651.00

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to $18, 1 fold, CO calls $18, BTN calls $18, 2 folds

Flop: ($63.00) 2 A 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $49, CO calls $49, BTN folds

Turn: ($161.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $136, CO raises to $705.60 all in, $448 to me

Last edited by Praetor; 04-16-2008 at 12:48 PM.
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04-16-2008 , 12:51 PM
interesting. when he raised the flop in the other 2 hands he had a big draw, and a semi-big hand that was very vulnerable. i think i call and expect to see a weaker ace a lot of the time.
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04-16-2008 , 12:53 PM
i think its a fold. in both of the previous hands you posted he had a pretty big hand when he raised you (stating the obvious). not that that means a ton, but i just dont feel like youre good here often enough to call.
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04-16-2008 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by nuggetz87
interesting. when he raised the flop in the other 2 hands he had a big draw, and a semi-big hand that was very vulnerable. i think i call and expect to see a weaker ace a lot of the time.
nuggetz do you see your two statements as being related here? im just trying to understand your thinking. you say that he had big hands both times he raised before, but now you just think its a weak ace. any reason why? i feel like this is aces up a lot, a set sometimes, and a flush draw that maybe paired the 9 some other portion of the time.
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04-16-2008 , 01:00 PM
f.
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04-16-2008 , 01:00 PM
How was his timing in the other hands?

An instaraise usually means they were planning to raise the turn no matter what anyway. I think I fold.
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04-16-2008 , 01:08 PM
Crap player/good hand --> call
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04-16-2008 , 01:12 PM
well he raised the drawy flop both of the other times...and this flop certainly qualifies but he just flatted so i'm thinking weak draw/float/made hand weakker than AK

i guess like 99 or A9 could have turned us but i still think we win usually.
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04-16-2008 , 01:14 PM
kinda close but i think when you look at the past hands (what you showed up with) it makes it a fold.
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04-16-2008 , 01:23 PM
he played his 2 pair on the QJ9 flop with flush draw very fast and although this board isnt as draw heavy it doesnt seem to me that he will slow play a big hand like 2 pair a set or a straight(unless with the f draw asweell) very often because he will be afraid of draws so tbh i would personally be weighting his hand more towards fdraws that hit a 9 or not and random As (A7s-AQ)

Personally cant find a fold here
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04-16-2008 , 02:49 PM
i think its sort of close because he's jamming the turn here instead of the flop. but not close enough to fold. From the two previous hands where the money went in on the flop, I would expect him to play sets or 2p hands a little faster, just because that seems what he likes to do. if he has you beat its probably A9 and if he has something bigger well played by him.


i think he turns over weaker aces here alot, i wouldn't fold.
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04-16-2008 , 03:31 PM
I'm snapcalling
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04-16-2008 , 04:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nuggetz87
i guess like 99 or A9 could have turned us but i still think we win usually.
i feel the same. villain doesn't seem to be the type to slow play so unless this turn put him ahead of us i think we're usually good
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04-16-2008 , 05:55 PM
this guy seems fishy and you can't read fishies so well based on previous hands. If a guy doesn't know what he is doing, how will you know then? I call here and expect to be ahead.
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04-16-2008 , 07:19 PM
puke and fold
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04-16-2008 , 07:36 PM
so if he has a weaker ace hes bluffing here right? idk just seems kinda weird and i wouldnt think hed be showing up with a weaker ace very often here. sometimes, but not enough in my mind to give us enough equity vs his range to call. i could be wrong though. how often would you guys make this play if you were him and had A6?
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04-16-2008 , 07:51 PM
I think I fold
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04-16-2008 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyDooo
how often would you guys make this play if you were him and had A6?
lol
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04-16-2008 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DrMagic
lol
scooby how often do you play 28/9 2.3/3/3 fish style? that's like someone asks if they should call this 80/60's openshove and you say "well how often do you guys openshove Q2o here??"
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04-16-2008 , 10:07 PM
lol i knew id get that response but cmon he might still have some brain cells. its safe to say that hes not playing well postflop but its his preflop numbers that look the worst. idk if we can just assume that hes suicidal and willing to felt any top pair for a full stack in a single raised pot.
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04-16-2008 , 10:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobyDooo
lol i knew id get that response but cmon he might still have some brain cells.
No, he doesn't. Cut this 'get into the head of a faceroller' crap please.


I'd fold.
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04-16-2008 , 10:45 PM
If his name is b32847132 or something like that then hes not ******ed postflop and just ******ed preflop, and I would fold.
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04-16-2008 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by berserk
If his name is b32847132 or something like that then hes not ******ed postflop and just ******ed preflop, and I would fold.
ya, fold if it's him


if not i'd put him on 98d and call

I'd prob fold AQ though to be honest, i dont think you can call here all the time
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04-17-2008 , 12:54 AM
what requin said.

i think aq is a fold though
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04-17-2008 , 03:10 AM
Only read the OP, but it's a fold for mine. Shoving a draw on the flop and getting it in with 2 pair for 2/3 of a stack is a lot different to shoving this turn for full stacks over your second barrel. It's going to be set/straight/two pair more than weaker ace or flush draw.
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