Probably super trivial but whatever.

Stars, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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MP: $1,166.25
Hero (CO): $810.60

Pre-Flop: A K dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $6, MP raises to $24, Hero calls $24, BTN calls $24, 2 folds, UTG calls $18

Flop: ($105) 7 A 8 (4 Players)
UTG checks, MP bets $60, Hero calls $60, 2 folds

Turn: ($225) 3 (2 Players)
MP bets $140, Hero calls $140

River: ($505) 8 (2 Players)
MP bets $942.25 and is All-In, Hero snaps?

300 hands on villian but no reads from memory. This was the first encounter at the table other then a previous 3bet where he folded.

I elected to call PF because he had a low UTG and UTG+1 open % (although he is isolating the fish), we are a bit deep and I wanted to let the fish in. In this small sample size villian has never bet the river.

I cant see how you can fold this

snap snap snaparoo

I mean i dunno why we can't fold it?

If it were HU to the flop it be a different story, but since it was 4way and villain is now barreling off, what are we hoping to see really? A chop?

We are beat by a tiny amount of combos, we have a tiny amount of strong hands in our range combowise, all draws missed. Villain opened EP and flop was 4way which kinda sucks and makes it closer though

edit: Well, I guess we can have 8x ss and so can the villain, but I doubt villain is opening that many 8x hands pf from EP.

I dont' think it's clear cut by any means but pretty sure it's a call

I def think it's close, but it's a shame we don't have any reads on villain.

seems like a chop at best

Board: Ac 7s 8d 3s 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 76.923% 53.85% 23.08% 7 3.00 { AA, 88-77, AKs, A8s, 87s, AKo }
Hand 1: 23.077% 00.00% 23.08% 0 3.00 { AhKc }

You have to call if villan's balanced enough to shove AK, he doesn't need many bluff combos (3 bluffs to be exact so the spade draws are enough). His bluff with those hands is good as you're most likely/(surely?) folding AJ/AQ and combinatorically you have so few nut hands.

The problem is that I'm not sure if villain will shove AK here at 3/6 as he might be aware that the 1st time there's a good chance he's not getting called by bluffcatchers enough. Bleh, without history this is probably a fold given his bluffing range on the turn is limited and thus he needs to shove AK here for a call to be good unless he's pure bluffing the turn often.

I think if you time down a bit before calling here it isn't too bad of a slowroll

Edit: it is a lot closer because flop is 4ways. I tank...prob still call tho its vvvvvvv close

pretty easy fold imo, people play it straight 4 way to the flop

Don't think people overshove the river here with AK too often. Agree with Baba, close but leaning towards a fold.

Are u guys actually advocating folding anything but fh's here? I think it's a call, and a somewhat fast one.

Yeah on second thought I don't like folding. For some reason I thought we'd get there with trips a decent amount, but that's probably close to 0%. Going for the extremely unbalanced fold in an otherwise close spot is kinda stupid.

I think a lot of the thoughts I was thinking have been summed up nicely. Flop is 4 way and my call call must look pretty damn strong.

I don't think villain is ever shoving worse for value here and I don't think he jams AK very often at all. I am holding a bluff catcher.

Do you think his bet sizing gives his hand away at all? I imagine a strong made hand or draw would be more inclined to bet more on the flop and turn.

omg snap call so easy

how is this snap ? villian is betting four way flop all the way, and overbet shoves river, when hero's hand looks at least tpgk ? Chop at best but unlikely given river overbet. I think this is pretty snap FOLD.

Villian plays 9T/56 and everything that beats us like this.

+1 and less Ax combos than people are saying. You only have a bluff catcher and for some meta/balancing spot you could call, I'm leaning towards a fold tho unless you know he's one of those guys that wants to win ....this pot..right now. Only thing that might make me call is the weird bad sizing.

river is a fold imo, definitely not a snap... r u guise srs?

turn is fairly close/thin

-1 unless your villain or he is your roomate.


you'd have to know someone really well to assume they always isolate an utg limp from utg+1 with 9To, 56s, 56o and not only that but ALWAYS three barrel overbet shove the river when these hands don't hit on a dry, paired A-hi board. i do agree he plays everything that beats us like this.

i would think his range is A8s, 77, 88, AKs, AKo, AQs, AQo, AA, and like one combo each of 9Ts 56s. and against that range its a clear call. although its funny cause before i stoved it, my gut was to fold.

I doubt he is betting 600 into 500 on the river with AQ or AK here.

Busted draws are more likely than AQ imo.

you expect him to bet less or check? i just assume his only bet here is a shove cause of awkward stack/pot size.

Ya I would assume most people would bet less.

W/o history I tend to fold here. This def isn't a snap call either way.