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10-08-2019 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jacon
Vs 3x from MP in 6max: AJo, KQo, ATs, KJs, QJs-T9s (from Grinder's Manual)
Wtf? I've read the book some time ago and found it decent although kinda basic, but I skipped the advised preflop ranges.
This defense range is crap, not even 1970 players were that nitty lol.

Last edited by Iblis; 10-08-2019 at 09:26 AM.
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10-08-2019 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Iblis
Wtf? I've read the book some time ago and found it decent even although kinda basic, but I skipped the advised preflop ranges.
This defense range is crap, not even 1970 players were that nitty lol.
I believe one of the main points of criticism of TGM was the extreme nittyness of the advised pre-flop ranges.
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10-08-2019 , 09:25 AM
surprised you won this hand surprised anyone semi bluffs + bluffs air otr in 2NL which I thought was really fit or fold, V must be pretty good at exploiting the population which explains his stack size there, maybe i just dont know the pop

Last edited by GodforsakenDwan; 10-08-2019 at 09:32 AM.
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10-08-2019 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by kewl_cph
I believe one of the main points of criticism of TGM was the extreme nittyness of the advised pre-flop ranges.
Well I'm not surprised.
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10-08-2019 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by GodforsakenDwan
surprised you won this hand surprised anyone semi bluffs + bluffs air otr in 2NL which I thought was really fit or fold, V must be pretty good at exploiting the population which explains his stack size there, maybe i just dont know the pop
I see bluffs with air on the river all the time.
Mostly not good semi-bluffs on the flop & turn though.
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10-08-2019 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by GodforsakenDwan
surprised you won this hand surprised anyone semi bluffs + bluffs air otr in 2NL which I thought was really fit or fold, V must be pretty good at exploiting the population which explains his stack size there, maybe i just dont know the pop
What do you think villain's value range is on the river?
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10-08-2019 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 291
What do you think villain's value range is on the river?


Range being uncapped pocket pairs 10+ which he is not betting for value otr necessarily but also a bunch of aces, AKo, Ax flush draws, A9


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10-08-2019 , 11:21 AM
barreling AK on a great board for BB is pretty lol
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10-08-2019 , 12:09 PM
Yeodan: thread title - Is this bad <call/bet/fold> on <flop, turn, river> ?

2+2 : Yes, shiyt man - what are you doing - fold pre . as per Monkey and snowman solver you should fold 314.1519% and all in 6.023x10^23 times here

Yeodan : shows result

Spoiler:
LMAO
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10-08-2019 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 2019fish2019
barreling AK on a great board for BB is pretty lol
i think this happens in 2nl actually, maybe not here at least after v inflated the pot with a 3b i can see them doing that often enough
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10-08-2019 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dubakkur2
Yeodan: thread title - Is this bad <call/bet/fold> on <flop, turn, river> ?

2+2 : Yes, shiyt man - what are you doing - fold pre . as per Monkey and snowman solver you should fold 314.1519% and all in 6.023x10^23 times here

Yeodan : shows result

Spoiler:
LMAO
literally always lol
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10-08-2019 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GodforsakenDwan
Range being uncapped pocket pairs 10+ which he is not betting for value otr necessarily but also a bunch of aces, AKo, Ax flush draws, A9


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I give you A9/Axdd but not a bunch of aces. It's a good card for his range and therefore perceived to be a good bluffing card but he is unlikely to be blindly barreling all his Acex versus the BB (especially on the paired turn). So he really should not have too much Acex.

He should be betting 1010+ on the river but I think it unlikely just given on how micros players don't go thin for value often enough.

So I think his value range is often something like 44,99,A9,66,AA (can proba add a few others in). So blocking the 9 it's not that many combos we lose and given that he can and will still have bluffs we can see that a call is very reasonable when our range is this capped.
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10-08-2019 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 291
I give you A9/Axdd but not a bunch of aces. It's a good card for his range and therefore perceived to be a good bluffing card but he is unlikely to be blindly barreling all his Acex versus the BB (especially on the paired turn). So he really should not have too much Acex.

He should be betting 1010+ on the river but I think it unlikely just given on how micros players don't go thin for value often enough.

So I think his value range is often something like 44,99,A9,66,AA (can proba add a few others in). So blocking the 9 it's not that many combos we lose and given that he can and will still have bluffs we can see that a call is very reasonable when our range is this capped.
Of course the call is reasonable, are you ever folding this exact hand played in NL50z? F K NO

Issue is calling three streets with the 9 at NL2 and winning at shwdown. how often does that happen ? I know there are other factors here but still

Flop to turn 10+ pocket pair along with your river value hands can be played the exact same way. And if had to pick #1. V is value betting overpairs then bluffing on the river when the ace showed up(or thin value) or #2. V is semibluffing flop, turn and also river with air or #3. V is betting 3 streets with a hand that crushes me I'm picking #1. and #3. ... just because its NL2


Some people start off playing balanced then they deviate from that to exploit, I play the population and then I go from there. Maybe when I get on a table with OTB and Linus I'll start off balanced but in the lower micros def not

Played again I would fold this in NL2 and NL5 unless I have solid HUD stats, reads etc because fit or fold in general is one of my population reads. I could easily be wrong about the pop but Id rather be told that, not trying to be an a shole but it's more helpful/insightful? then being told a call is reasonable here

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