Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
2NL Zoom Rivered Second Nuts vs. Shove 2NL Zoom Rivered Second Nuts vs. Shove

12-07-2021 , 07:30 PM
Hi, got another hand here. I'd appreciate your thoughts.
Villain is unknown.

PF I defend my BB with Q7s. I flop TP with a backdoor FD and decide to call his cbet.

On the turn my FD comes in. Although the A hits his range, it's a good card, because he can't have the Ah now. He bets, and I consider raising. But when he shoves I'm forced to fold and cannot realize my equity. So I call. At the river I hit my flush.

Now I want to have value from straights, sets, TP and smaller flushes. I make a bet for 1/3rd pot and he shoves.
So I tank. I block flushes. There is only one flush that beats me, which is very unlikely since we would both have a backdoor flush.
So what does he shove with? Maybe smaller flushes, maybe straights. Maybe a set, although I think It's unlikely. And with the nuts ofc. At 2NL I don't think it's a bluff. River raises are 99,99 % strong here. I think that I beat more combination that I loose against and call.

I tried to give him a range:


Board: Qd8h6sAhTh
Equity Win Tie
BU 22.58% 22.58% 0.00% { QQ+, 88, 66, AQs, KhQh, KhJh, QhJh, KhTh, Kh9h, Th9h, Kh8h, Kh7h, Kh6h, Kh5h, 6h5h, Kh4h, 5h4h, Kh3h, Kh2h, AQo }
BB 77.42% 77.42% 0.00% { Qh7h }



PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 110 BB
SB: 107 BB
Hero (BB): 103 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 137.5 BB
CO: 105.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 Q

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) Q 8 6
Hero checks, BTN bets 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2.5 BB

Turn: (11.5 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets 7.5 BB, Hero calls 7.5 BB

River: (26.5 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 8.5 BB, BTN raises to 97 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 81.5 BB and is all-in
2NL Zoom Rivered Second Nuts vs. Shove Quote
12-08-2021 , 08:01 AM
river lead for 33% seems horrible
2NL Zoom Rivered Second Nuts vs. Shove Quote
12-08-2021 , 08:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by apricotjello
river lead for 33% seems horrible
Ok. Could you please explain why? How would you play it?
2NL Zoom Rivered Second Nuts vs. Shove Quote
12-08-2021 , 12:38 PM
I like donking river, it's probably not GTO, but I like it as an exploit vs the micro pool.
I'd go with a much larger sizing though, 66-100% pot maybe even 125%?

As played I'd fold to the river raise, again only against the micro pool as an exploit.
Though I could see someone make this play with a straight or worse flush, so it's close.

Betting small on the river kinda sets yourself up to get raised or shoved on, making our life hard.
Against an aggressive opponent I'd just x/c
Against a passive opponent (and the micro pool in general) I will b/f here.
2NL Zoom Rivered Second Nuts vs. Shove Quote
12-08-2021 , 05:23 PM
I actually dont hate donking the river, I think it is decent. I think I am calling the jam, but I really wouldnt be surprised to see the nut flush. Interesting spot. I am going to see what GTOWizard does here.

Flop:




Turn:




River:




2NL Zoom Rivered Second Nuts vs. Shove Quote
12-09-2021 , 03:29 AM
I think pre is actually rather a fold with Q7s. Rake is just too high on the micros.

Also:
BU 22.58% 22.58% 0.00% { QQ+, 88, 66, AQs, KhQh, KhJh, QhJh, KhTh, Kh9h, Th9h, Kh8h, Kh7h, Kh6h, Kh5h, 6h5h, Kh4h, 5h4h, Kh3h, Kh2h, AQo }
BB 77.42% 77.42% 0.00% { Qh7h }

That range is a little off. He cannot have Qh, 8h, Th.
2NL Zoom Rivered Second Nuts vs. Shove Quote
12-09-2021 , 06:14 AM
Slightly different to your other spot, as to call you only need to beat about 40% of villain's range. Usually, in these types of spots, I'd say as long as you beat some of villain's value, it's a definite call. Here, at 2nl, I'm not sure villain is taking this line with any bluffs, never mind the appropriate amount. There are only 7 combos of Khxh available. Around 5ish (depending on what villain opens) Jhxh, maybe 9h6h, 6h5h, 5h4h, 6h4h. Then, villain could also be jamming sets like AA, QQ, maybe 88 or 66, and also KJ. Your lead does make jamming these less frequent though. I reckon that this is still a call, but at 2nl is actually closer than it looks. But you beat too much potential value to fold. Rest of the hand is good.
2NL Zoom Rivered Second Nuts vs. Shove Quote
12-09-2021 , 07:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yeodan
I like donking river, it's probably not GTO, but I like it as an exploit vs the micro pool.
I'd go with a much larger sizing though, 66-100% pot maybe even 125%?

As played I'd fold to the river raise, again only against the micro pool as an exploit.
Though I could see someone make this play with a straight or worse flush, so it's close.

Betting small on the river kinda sets yourself up to get raised or shoved on, making our life hard.
Against an aggressive opponent I'd just x/c
Against a passive opponent (and the micro pool in general) I will b/f here.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anjunbeats
I think pre is actually rather a fold with Q7s. Rake is just too high on the micros.

Also:
BU 22.58% 22.58% 0.00% { QQ+, 88, 66, AQs, KhQh, KhJh, QhJh, KhTh, Kh9h, Th9h, Kh8h, Kh7h, Kh6h, Kh5h, 6h5h, Kh4h, 5h4h, Kh3h, Kh2h, AQo }
BB 77.42% 77.42% 0.00% { Qh7h }

That range is a little off. He cannot have Qh, 8h, Th.
I use pf ranges from bluff the spot. There it is a call. I think if fold to much preflop in the BB you are making it profitable for people to steal with any two and make a profit.
2NL Zoom Rivered Second Nuts vs. Shove Quote

      
m