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2nd barrel spot? 2nd barrel spot?

03-07-2010 , 08:00 PM
$400.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

SB: $601.00
Hero (BB): $414.80
UTG: $418.10
CO: $770.80
BTN: $602.20

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with A J
1 fold, CO calls $4, BTN calls $4, SB calls $2, Hero raises to $24, CO calls $20, BTN calls $20, 1 fold

Flop: ($76.00) 7 K T (3 players)
Hero bets $52.00, CO folds, BTN calls $52

Turn: ($180.00) T (2 players)
Hero thinks about barreling

Villain is a pretty standard 21/17 reg I dont have any history with. He plays very straight forward and hasn't done anything out of line yet besides 3betting from the btn and blinds quite a bit.

CO is the ****** I described in my other thread.

He overlimped the fish once before, but that hand didn't get to showdown. I dont really see many hands he could limp there, that make big hands on this board.

Would you even cbet in the first place?
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03-07-2010 , 08:09 PM
what do u think the villain flats the flop with?
KQ kinda hands, JT, QJ, maybe 88 and 99, and some monsters (i doubt hell float very often when u cbet into a fish and him
so i think c/r is best here
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03-07-2010 , 08:12 PM
I dont see how he can overlimp the fish with KQ or any pair >66
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03-08-2010 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by gorlom
I dont see how he can overlimp the fish with KQ or any pair >66
being a 21/17 I think he's able to overlimp w pairs up to at least 99, but probably not KQ, but maybe JT, QT, QJ, KT, and KJ sometimes... barreling turn again I think depends a lot on his fcb
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03-08-2010 , 04:34 AM
wtf

2barreling blows, c/r is even worse
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03-08-2010 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ese
being a 21/17 I think he's able to overlimp w pairs up to at least 99, but probably not KQ, but maybe JT, QT, QJ, KT, and KJ sometimes... barreling turn again I think depends a lot on his fcb



wat, what 21/17 limps 88 99 here
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03-08-2010 , 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SA3
wtf

2barreling blows, c/r is even worse
would you elaborate please?
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03-08-2010 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ManChild
wat, what 21/17 limps 88 99 here
I'm not saying he'd openlimp with those, just overlimp. and I'm not saying every 21/17 would do it, just that those are fairly tight stats and think they'll be able to do it, maybe not 99, but 88 is possible. Anyhow, I can be completely wrong, I'm not very good at understanding unknowns player ranges with only stats, I know you can stove stats but at the end of the day those are only general assumptions IMO...
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03-08-2010 , 05:52 AM
i dont think a barrel here is bad.
first off it looks pretty strong and then i dont see btn having a Kx very often given pre. a Tx obv became more unlikely too. so i guess he probably has stuff like 7x, 89, some pp mostly.
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03-08-2010 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by gorlom
would you elaborate please?
I know you asked SA3, but I'm pretty sure I can tackle this one for him. When you chk raise this turn, what exactly are we repping ? KK, AT? Thats about it....I think chk raising the turn is just way worse than 2barreling cuz there's just so few hands that we rep by doing it. When it comes to firing again on the turn, it's not like our hand has 0 showdown value. We can beat pretty much every draw, other than AQ...and are we really expecting KQ and even KJ to fold 100% of the time here? villain having a T here also is highly probable and it's just a really bad board to a)chk/raise given our pf line, and b) 2barrel expecting villain to fold.

Hope for a chk/chk scenario and spike your Q on the river imo.
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03-08-2010 , 11:53 AM
what we represent is 1 step too far already

Just think about the turn betting range of Vilain ;

{TX, K (but not all and not a high frequency as we can represent a pot control), QJ, 89, random GS or MAYBE mid paires but not a lot of 99/JJ}

now explain what is the reward of C/Raising turn ?

We will keep the strongest part of this range (trips, maybe TP but not even sure vilain bets a lot TPBK on a paired board) and create a big pot, get rid of some SD/weak pairs.

I think most of his range is made of KX, TX, SD so do you really think it will be a profitable bluff ? Do you think C/R would really do the job w a good risk/reward ?
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03-08-2010 , 02:55 PM
Most of villains range is Tx and Kx here, I guess he has some combos of draws but he might not even fold those if he is bad.

c/f
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03-08-2010 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gorlom
would you elaborate please?
1. What would we fold that floats this flop by double barreling? What is our range for double barreling?

2. What is his range for betting after we check to him? (What I'm trying to get at here is, does he bet Kx... unlikely, does he think we will fold Kx... unlikely).
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03-08-2010 , 04:17 PM
pretty ambitious to get villian off anything he flatted your flop cbet with
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03-08-2010 , 08:56 PM
craising sucks, i know, but I was thinking about barreling to get him off a K, QJ or J9s and as he can't have a good K bc he overlimped, I was thinking it can't be that bad.
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03-08-2010 , 09:00 PM
i wouldnt bluff this spot. Too many good kings and Tx hand will call you; he doesnt have a pocket pair in this spot.
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03-08-2010 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by gorlom
craising sucks, i know, but I was thinking about barreling to get him off a K, QJ or J9s and as he can't have a good K bc he overlimped, I was thinking it can't be that bad.
Villain never folds Kx here
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