CO is a reg, albeit a somewhat stationary such. He also has a ridicilously high "bet flop %", which is why I check in the first pace. BB is completely unknown. I was running 52/42 and is considered very bluffy.

Now that I think about it, I think I prefer a call on the flop instead of check/raising, but whatever.

As played I had no clue what to do on this turn God how do I always end up in such ****ed up spots? =/

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SB: $2062.00
BB: $2202.00
Hero (UTG): $3645.00
CO: $4000.00
BTN: $5373.50

Pre Flop: ($45.00) Hero is UTG with A 2
Hero raises to $60, CO calls $60, 2 folds, BB calls $40

Flop: ($205.00) 8 5 4 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $140, BB calls $140, Hero raises to $580, CO calls $440, BB requests TIME, BB folds

Turn: ($1505.00) 6 (2 players)

This is a very ****ty spot, yes.

Do you usually try to check flops oop against this guy, or was this something that you just applied to this hand? If you've c/r him a lot on flops because of this how does he usually react to them? On the flop I prefer a bet or a c/c if he doesn't have a history of folding to your flop c/rs a lot.

Since you're pretty laggy, being utg 5 handed probably doesn't change your opening range by too much I'm assuming. Basically what are you trying to rep by c/r this flop that wouldn't lead out with your already aggro image + drawy board? Villain being stationary makes this even more difficult to pull off because we aren't folding a lot of the weaker hands we need to, and by the turn his range has improved a lot and yours got worse. As played you really can't check the turn though on the off chance he does have air or a hand not strong enough to raise, bet and pray he doesn't call and if he raises oh no.

I don't like this spot but it's as scary for him as it is for you (think bears). You can't really expect this person be floating the flop with a gutshot often, and a lot of his overpair/toppair/twopair hands are looking very weak at this point because the best thing they're up against is a FD.

It will be severely dependent on your c/r frequency and how this reg reacts to c/r. In a vacuum I'd probably 1/2 pot on turn and any river.

c/ring the flop is terrible, as played c/f.

dont think he calls with many gutshots, he has fairly good odds to call deep to your flop raise as well, wouldnt give him a particularly strong range tbh, would think he 3bets flops alot with the hands you are drawing badly against. dont think its terrible to unload here assuming what i have said is correct, and our folding equity is good. chk/f is fine, but i really feel we can win this one if theres as much deadmoney as i suspect... the only thing working against you is chk/r that flop making your line unusual, but nothing super obvious.

would like to hear more opinions though.

I think you get no credit for a straight with your flop checkraise and he will get suspicious and be prone to make hero calls (or play back with draws)

i think as a whole, the dynamic of 2k/5k seems to be that people are warry of making hero calls, especially deep. this just seems to be because the amount of players at 2k are in shot taking mode as they breach into HSNL. if villian has respect for our game, this play can possibly go either way. anyone have any opinions on this?

not a big fan of the c/r when your on the deep side with this type of hand - it can get kinda messy.

turn is super gross, i might just check and pray for a free river here, Id hate to have to b/f or level myself into b/c or bet and jam the river into his nuts. yuck yuck yuck.

i think one of the keys to the spot u put urself in is ur image, described as "very bluffy", would u really check raise this flop with nuts?
As played i think turn is a must bet

since I respect your game, could you go into why it's terrible?

Also, could you say what hands your are c/r the flop with that aren't the nuts?

both betting flop and c/c flop are better than c/r imo

Because you're just hugely bloating the pot oop with a weakish hand with very little sd value and taking a line people naturally find suspicious, not to mention op is viewed as very bluffy and the guys a huge station. You're often going to have to bet/call alot of turns with not a great deal of equity, plus you have no idea what to do on turns such as this one.

I basically don't have a c/r range here and bet everything.

Yes, I probably would.

would we b/3b or b/c flop? question is for guys saying bet which i agree with...cant figure out what to do though if we get raised...

i mean we are oop...3b spares us from having to play oop and get into a similar situation we are in now...

mhh id go with b/3b i think.

as played..ugly spot..eventho i would prolly almost never c/r here.

it kinda hinges on that actually...not that I don't agree with flop should be a bet, but my feeling is we will not be having to betcall this turn almost ever. theres not much nuts in the average villians range when he doesn't bet/3bet that flop deep. also consider the range of hands villian has which is 'standard' to call a flop chk/r here, and fold the turn. depending on the player this range can go from wide to narrow being deep, certainly a large majority of people are just giving up deadmoney when they cant continue on the turn here, but wont go away on the flop. we also have a wide array of good cards on the river to bomb incase he just calls the turn.

i think most people at these stakes would realize instantly your line looks weird - i agree - but unless they think you're a complete drooler it would make sense why you could likely pull this off... i also feel this level of thinking isn't out of the ordinary given stakes... this hand is a crashing plane though, and it's possible im just trying to pull the parachute.

I would bet this flop, Mostly to gain controll over the pot, leading out on that flop can somehow look strong, and Villain will probs slow down? (Just a theory).

Is it also bad to get it in on this flop, if possible?

As played i would probs check and hope to see a daimond river .

Please correct me if possible, I have to go to work!

dislike the c/r here, what were you trying to accomplish?

op, quit taking fked up lines then asking for help when ur totally lost.

That basically means your checking range allows him to bet pretty much everything cause he's deep IP with more streets to come.

3way maybe not so much, but c/r occasionally is def good hu

Yeah well my line obviously sucked, but here's what happened anyways:



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SB: $2062.00
BB: $2202.00
Hero (UTG): $3645.00
CO: $4000.00
BTN: $5373.50

Pre Flop: ($45.00) Hero is UTG with A 2
Hero raises to $60, CO calls $60, 2 folds, BB calls $40

Flop: ($205.00) 8 5 4 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $140, BB calls $140, Hero raises to $580, CO calls $440, BB requests TIME, BB folds

Turn: ($1505.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $860, Hero calls $860

River: ($3225.00) T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2497 all in, Hero folds

Final Pot: $3225.00
CO wins $3222.00
(Rake: $3.00)

I did not see that we were like 175bb deep.

Yeah now I think about it I am probably a bit unbalanced in this spot. I think c/cing certain draws and stuff like pairs with gutters is ok but I wouldn't c/r this board deep as the pfr without the nuts and definitely not with this hand.

And how does that change things?

OP,

whats your name on ftp. There are not that many from Sweden I played at 10/20

you think the average 10/20 reg would realize this and fire 3 barrels with a massive range?