PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $15.76
BB: $39.40
UTG: $12.60
Hero (MP): $256.63
CO: $22.63
BTN: $125.72

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K K

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO raises to $2.25, BTN calls $2.25, fold, fold, Hero raises to $8.65, fold, BTN calls $6.40

Flop: ($19.90, 2 players) 3 4 T
Hero checks, BTN bets $11.34, Hero calls $11.34

Turn: ($42.58, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets $26.22, Hero ???

Readless 25z on Bovada. Is it fair to say turn is a shove/fold spot? If we flat turn there is 318bb behinds going to river ~380bb pot. If I flat turn is there any rivers I can fold? If answer is no then turn should be shove/fold right? Is it safe to say my range is fairly face up as an overpair on the turn?

I don't cbet the flop because I don't want to face a raise and I don't think there is a worse hand I can get 3 streets of value this deep in a 4 bet pot so I really want to start pot controlling right away.

What range do you think villain is flatting in a 4 bet pot pre this deep? I assume villain is a reg since he is sitting at zone with a 500bb deep which isn't that easy to do for a fish unless they are on a serious heater.

Just cbet flop. I would guess he flats JJ, QQ, AK and sometimes AA pre. so betting for value seems like the way to go, especially without Kh.
On the turn AP your hand looks like AK, so villain could be betting with worse for value and protection. I don't know if we shove or just call in this spot to get the most value. In a vacuum I would probably x/shove, but not sure what the most +EV line is in this spot.

If I cbet flop and check turn my hand looks like AK so we are kind of in the same boat. Should I bet flop/bet turn and check/call river? If we bet/bet and check on the river is villain ever shoving worse? Does he have bluffs? Or just bet/bet/shove and hope he has QQ that couldn't find a fold? Do you think we can get 3 streets of value from a worse hand?

Will my flop and turn bets be bets with the intent of bet/folding to raises?

I'm not sure, but I think we're losing value if we're not cbetting this flop.

On the flop my line would probably to bet/call without the Kh. I think villain could still just flat you pre with AA, although I wonder how often he is just flatting the 3bet from the cutoff with AA.
On the turn then I guess it's a fold if he then bets again expecting him to actually somehow have AA or TT.

I agree with you that we're probably not getting 3 streets of value in a 4bet pot with KK. bet/bet/check seems fine. I don't think people will bluff a lot when you bet flop bet turn, since they're repping super thin.

A lot of guessing as you can see Not used to play 500bb's deep on 25NL

EDIT: therefore interested in others opinions obv

Given how deep we are, doesn't that widen villain's pre flop flatting range?
Maybe he could be calling pre with A2s-A5s or even sth like T9s or 89s?
I mean your 4bet looks very strong and your deep, so villain has got reason to believe that he's getting good implied odds.

I think I would have bet, bet, x/c. However, I really don't know mich about playing deep stack.
I find this hand very interesting though.

Yeah which makes my raise sizing pre the biggest mistake I think. I gave him 19:1 implied odds on a call pre against a super strong range. Maybe I should have made it about $11.50 pre and then it will be easier to get it in post. He would also be getting 13 to 1 which makes calling to set mine/SC a mistake. Also brings the SPR from ~6 to ~4.

Blasting a 5x 4 bet pre just seems weird though but maybe because I am so used to playing 100-200bb stacks.

I'd be more inclined to 4 bet bigger pre. Given how deep you are there are a ton of hands in V's range here. Any Axhh may take this line as a semi bluff, KQ,KJ,QJ all suited in hearts picked up a huge turn card, the less likely J9,J8,98,87hh, as well. I feel like sets or turned 2 pair would bet bigger, but I've been wrong before, so you can't rule them out. Tbh this really feels like JJ-KK, maybe AA, or one of the aforementioned semi bluffs. Any PP < 88 that didn't set up is probably not betting the turn.

I think I like a shove better than a fold, but maybe someone should do the math to confirm.

Flop is clear cbet and turn is clear call. Don't play scared when deep.

Also just calling turn

Villain also cold called a 3bet from cutoff though who has less than 100 bb's.

I think without any read on this type of hands. You should plan to bet 3 streets and have the intention of folding to raise at any point.
Your hand is strong enough to get at least 2 streets from most hands anyways.
Turn isn't a shove or fold scenario, if you shove, what you hoping to get called by thats worse?
Even JJs and QQs aren't happy here and they might fold.
Might as well just call down with your weak line. But honestly don't play scared deep.

put him on QQ and lets go

Don't play scared when deep.''>>>+1
best advice ever

yeah cbet flop for value
bigger 4b is a good idea

I like the passive line, obviously position has so much value this deep and we have a single pair on a board that should hit BTN (given preflop action) pretty strong.