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01-17-2008 , 07:03 AM

Brocktoon

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MP2 was on the LAG side (45/19/2.1, ~100 hands) and loved to cold call raises and float the flop.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: $23.65
BTN: $10.50
SB: $15.10
BB: $18.45
UTG: $15.05
UTG+1: $51.80
Hero (UTG+2): $35.50
MP1: $5.30
MP2: $25.85

Pre-Flop: K

dealt to Hero (UTG+2)
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $1, 4 folds

Flop: ($2.35) 5

(2 Players)
Hero bets $1.50, MP2 calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.35) 4

(2 Players)
Hero bets $2.75, MP2 raises to $5.50, Hero calls $2.75

River: ($16.35) 7

(2 Players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $7.25, Hero...

All comments appreciated.

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01-17-2008 , 07:16 AM

oakrdrzfan

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You flop TPTK on a very dry board with an SPR no where near commitment range. However, if villain is known to float, give him some rope. But, keep the pot reasonable.

I see no harm in c/c the turn here given his propensity to float and dryness of board. His range is wide with his stats. If he checks the turn, behind then you would bet the river. If he bets turn, then ck river as well.

As played, I call the river. You are getting better than 3 to 1.

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01-17-2008 , 07:34 AM

oakrdrzfan

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Stack to Pot Ratio. Ratio of lowest stack between you and each villain at the flop divided by the flop pot size. TPTK should have around a 4 depending on villain and a few other factors to openly commit to playing for stacks. AA/KK can be a little higher.

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01-17-2008 , 07:38 AM

Brocktoon

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The turn was really tricky for me, I kind of wanted to check but it just seemed far too weak against a guy I was 90% sure I was beating, badly, at the time. The guy was not a folder and I was pretty sure he'd pay me off with any ace there.

I'm kind of new to NL so things like pot control are still foreign to me. In limit not leading this turn is criminal and I find myself making a lot of value bets for this reason with TP type hands which gets me into trouble sometimes.

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01-17-2008 , 07:41 AM

Brocktoon

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Originally Posted by oakrdrzfan

Stack to Pot Ratio. .

Yeah, I looked it up after I asked and deleted my post. Thanks.

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01-17-2008 , 07:52 AM

oakrdrzfan

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Originally Posted by Brocktoon

I too am a limit convert. Learning when to fire on turns and value betting rivers is a lot different in no limit.

When people call your cbet on that flop, you gotta ask, what is their range and possible holdings. TPTK and overpairs can get into big trouble at times. I am still learning how to play these from different positions against different villain types. I have been at this seriously for 6 months now of NL and still have a ways to go.

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01-17-2008 , 08:49 AM

Perdix

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Calling the flop and minraising the turn is often the line villains take with a set, but I still wouldn't fold without a read here. Both your flop and turn bet are on the smallish side and villain could see them as an invitation to bluff you out of the pot.

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01-17-2008 , 12:04 PM

WantToLearn

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Originally Posted by Brocktoon

Assuming this is correct, I like the turn bet. Different opponent, I might prefer c/c.

As played, call turn raise, call river.

Well done IMO (aasuming you didn´t fold the river)

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01-17-2008 , 05:37 PM

Brocktoon

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No, I didn't fold the river.

I had the pleasure of paying to see the 5

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01-17-2008 , 05:46 PM

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Baja15

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I probably bet a little more on turn and river against this type of player. They can have any A here and will usually call you down with it.

I'm definitely not thinking about folding to the turn min raise. Usually i'd just call it then check call most rivers. However i probably fold this river. It sucks but the bet sizing means this is almost always better than tptk.

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01-17-2008 , 05:58 PM

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Brocktoon

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However i probably fold this river. It sucks but the bet sizing means this is almost always better than tptk.

This is the same guy that min raised the turn on me with bottom pair and a gutshot, and is running ~45/20. As it played out I think that's a VERY tough fold to make at the table for less than 1/2 pot with TPTK (AK).

If he was bluffing or seim-bluffing the turn (which he was) you don't think he'll take one more stab at the river once I check?

FWIW, I stacked this guy earlier in the session for >100BBs with a set on the flop, he had AQ and made a pair of Qs. All the money went in on the flop. This guy overvalues 1-pair hands and doesn't mind putting lots of money into the pot. AQ, AJ, AT are not out of the question for this particular player IMO.

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