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25NL, set vs fish donking river 1/2 pot. 25NL, set vs fish donking river 1/2 pot.

04-18-2011 , 01:52 PM
1st hand but his name is in capital letters so assumed fish. Are we good 25% of the time? Do we value bet if he checks?



    [hand_history]Boss, $0.12/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9068052

    BB: $30.18 (120.7 bb)
    MP: $45.93 (183.7 bb)
    Hero (CO): $24.88 (99.5 bb)
    BTN: $6.80 (27.2 bb)
    SB: $12.51 (50 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 6
    MP raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, SB folds, BB calls $0.25

    Flop: ($2.12) 5 T 6 (4 players)
    BB checks, MP bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, BTN folds, BB calls $2.50, MP folds

    Turn: ($7.62) 2 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $5.25, BB calls $5.25

    River: ($18.12) Q (2 players)
    BB bets $9.06
    25NL, set vs fish donking river 1/2 pot. Quote
    04-18-2011 , 03:38 PM
    this can be a flush or like KK+, or even a missdraw, it depends a lot on the fish, altho we often see a flush here

    I'd call and take a note accordingly
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    04-18-2011 , 04:26 PM
    shove>call?
    25NL, set vs fish donking river 1/2 pot. Quote
    04-18-2011 , 04:30 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kidacao
    shove>call?
    shoving is spew here, he's not folding any better hands ever
    25NL, set vs fish donking river 1/2 pot. Quote
    04-18-2011 , 04:31 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jkarioun
    shoving is spew here, he's not folding any better hands ever
    25NL, set vs fish donking river 1/2 pot. Quote
    04-18-2011 , 04:34 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kidacao
    shove>call?
    For value from what?
    25NL, set vs fish donking river 1/2 pot. Quote
    04-18-2011 , 04:36 PM
    im not in the math mood but if you only put every QT combo it should be profitable i guess
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    04-18-2011 , 04:39 PM
    I don't see us being good here often and shoving is ridiculous? Why would we ever shove here putting him on exactly QT. Seems spewy.
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    04-18-2011 , 04:43 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kidacao
    oh yeah I reviewed quite a few hands in lately, and mixed two hands

    actually shoving is also an interesting option, I'd like more imput on this, not sure what I would do
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    04-18-2011 , 04:45 PM
    im saying that i dont think hes ever bluffing here, what is in the grey zone is how often is he valuebetting with worse.

    the fact that there is so little amount of money behind (and hes not folding anything lolz) a shove might be better for the max value purposes

    as i said im not in the math mood, so anyone who is willing to do it feel free
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    04-18-2011 , 04:49 PM
    ~7 $ left behind, you're almost never getting called by worse and that is a lot of bb's to be shoving in this spot with a second best hand most of the time.

    he check called a bet and a raise OTF, c/c on the turn and donked the river when the flush came. Sorry but if that doesn't scream flush from a fish to you, what does?
    25NL, set vs fish donking river 1/2 pot. Quote
    04-18-2011 , 04:57 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kidacao
    im saying that i dont think hes ever bluffing here, what is in the grey zone is how often is he valuebetting with worse.

    the fact that there is so little amount of money behind (and hes not folding anything lolz) a shove might be better for the max value purposes

    as i said im not in the math mood, so anyone who is willing to do it feel free
    X is value%

    (1-X)*(16,63+18,12) - 16,63*X = 0

    (1-X)*34,75 - 16,63*X = 0

    34,75 - 51,38*X = 0

    X = 67%
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    04-18-2011 , 04:58 PM
    if we need to be good 67% then shoving is bad :P
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