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01-19-2016 , 04:31 AM
Villain is a multi-tabling nit 18/6 only 35 hands, but he is taking forever over every hand and not getting value at SD.

Table was aggro...am I opening too light here?

Plan was to Cbet the flop, for balance, equity, maybe free card on the turn and maybe a fold (don't expect too many).

Was gonna check the turn and see what he did, but the turn gave me a ton of outs, so went for the semi-bluff?

Good or bad decision?

I never thought about bluffing the river...in hindsight was this a good spot missed?





    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37223128

    BB: $26.10 (104.4 bb)
    UTG: $25.68 (102.7 bb)
    Hero (MP): $26.26 (105 bb)
    CO: $28.31 (113.2 bb)
    BTN: $31 (124 bb)
    SB: $42.67 (170.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with Q T
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $1, CO folds, BTN calls $1, 2 folds

    Flop: ($2.35) K 8 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.49, BTN calls $1.49

    Turn: ($5.33) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $3.81, BTN calls $3.81

    River: ($12.95) T (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks




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    25nl Semi Bluff OOP Quote
    01-19-2016 , 04:48 AM
    I open QTs UTG

    Flop is a very clear bet, turn is a very clear bet, and river is a very clear check.

    I prefer overbet OTT w/ this hand

    note villain for not 3bing AK pre in btn vs mp 100bb eff and probably for not raising flop
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    01-19-2016 , 04:57 AM
    think it is WP in general

    pre: standard, defo considering the fact that BTN is a complete nit

    flop: fine, flop hits our range OK and we are too weak to X/C imo

    turn: I make it bigger on this texture if I double barrel... A bit fancier, but I like a X/R here as well...

    river: We river SD value, check is fine. If we bet, we are betting to make him fold KX. A lot of his K combos include KJ and KT which are probably all calling this river.
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    01-19-2016 , 05:06 AM
    Good. Standard open, standard cbet on this flop. You pick up equity ott so I would definitely bet again. A pair of tens is fine for showdown (might beat some A9 or so), but not strong enough to bet.
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    01-19-2016 , 06:22 AM
    Is 4x your standard open? I'm not sure it needs to be, but meh.
    I'd go bigger ott but other than that wp, imo.
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    01-19-2016 , 10:06 AM
    I like turn overbet. As played this is fine apart from the preflop 4x.
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    01-19-2016 , 10:08 AM
    Wp
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    01-19-2016 , 10:11 AM
    4x pre is fine from UTG and MP. Just because it isn't considered standard it doesn't make it bad....
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    01-19-2016 , 04:05 PM
    Since we have digressed...

    I open 4bb utg, 3bb mp and co and with 2.5bb or 2bb btn depending on dynamics.

    None of this varies with hand strength, so I'm giving zero info away here. The only position I vary a lot is sb, which depends mostly on villain.

    If stacks get deep everything changes and I'll pay much more attention to SPR.

    PS Brokenstars...u nailed it.
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    01-20-2016 , 05:36 AM
    I don't understand why this is a clear c-bet. To me it seems unlikely that we are getting many folds as the board is wet and hits the villian's range.

    If we were IP would a c-bet still be appropriate or not?
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    01-20-2016 , 05:46 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Freene
    I don't understand why this is a clear c-bet. To me it seems unlikely that we are getting many folds as the board is wet and hits the villian's range.

    If we were IP would a c-bet still be appropriate or not?
    The flop c-bet is immediately going to be profitable. What flatting range are you assigning villain?

    As for the turn it is extremely wet and we have a ton of very strong hands and 4 combos of the nuts = overbet.
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    01-20-2016 , 06:09 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Brokenstars
    The flop c-bet is immediately going to be profitable.
    How do you justify this?
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    01-20-2016 , 06:16 AM
    Im prolly checking flop though cbetting is fine imo.

    Hand is played fine though multiple plays are possible.
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    01-20-2016 , 06:19 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Brokenstars
    The flop c-bet is immediately going to be profitable. What flatting range are you assigning villain?

    As for the turn it is extremely wet and we have a ton of very strong hands and 4 combos of the nuts = overbet.
    You are talking about any FD / TPTK / sets and JTs as the nuts here, right?
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    01-20-2016 , 07:49 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by btthywrsooted
    How do you justify this?
    1. Estimate his preflop flatting range.
    2. Estimate his flop calling/raising range
    3. Estimate his flop folding range

    4. if the combos from (3) over (1) is equal or greater than that of the size of your bet over the size of the pot + size of the bet then you are going to be immediately profitable.

    If we just think to ourselves, his flatting range likely contains 22-77 which is already 42 combos and quite a lot of hands. Next, (4) isn't entirely accurate because it assumes the equity of our hand is 0 which is very far from the case.
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    01-20-2016 , 08:07 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fatboy54
    Was gonna check the turn and see what he did, but the turn gave me a ton of outs, so went for the semi-bluff?
    You can't win if u check... or go to showdown with Q high...
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    Good or bad decision?
    It's same question as previous one right?
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    I never thought about bluffing the river...in hindsight was this a good spot missed?
    No, why would u ever bluff river when you have showdown.. :S
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    01-20-2016 , 08:12 AM
    I don't think river is as clear a check as stated itt. Some rough range work puts villain around 30 combos on the river, 15+ of which beat us and would likely fold to a bet. Assuming he calls with KT+ and folds T9d and worse.
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    01-20-2016 , 08:57 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Brokenstars
    The flop c-bet is immediately going to be profitable. What flatting range are you assigning villain?

    As for the turn it is extremely wet and we have a ton of very strong hands and 4 combos of the nuts = overbet.
    Was going through the math fully on equilab and it appears a cbet works quite well here as even with a small folding range of ~20% you still have around 33% equity against non-folding hands.

    Do you think it makes sense to make the same c-bet IP?

    I agree with you that the turn bet is good.
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    01-20-2016 , 10:24 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Freene
    Was going through the math fully on equilab and it appears a cbet works quite well here as even with a small folding range of ~20% you still have around 33% equity against non-folding hands.

    Do you think it makes sense to make the same c-bet IP?

    I agree with you that the turn bet is good.
    Yes...
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    01-20-2016 , 12:51 PM
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    You can't win if u check... or go to showdown with Q high...
    You can if you pick up a free card and hit your draw.

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    No, why would u ever bluff river when you have showdown.. :S
    Same reason as you ever bluff...to get villain to fold the better hand. I'm not saying it is correct here, I was asking if it is a good bluffing spot. I'm aware I had SD value, that's why I did not think of the river bluff, but thanks for pointing out the obvious. In hindsight I had the read and villain nailed, as did brokenstars, and I reckon he's perhaps folding to a jam. Finding good bluffing spots and being able to use them will make me a better player, so you'll see a lot more posts like this from me. I value the feedback I get here.

    You need to be careful when making absolute statements...poker is a game for the open minded. Peace.

    Last edited by Fatboy54; 01-20-2016 at 12:57 PM.
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    01-20-2016 , 12:55 PM
    I think it could be reasonable spot to bluff river tbh
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    01-20-2016 , 01:47 PM
    Like the others said bet bigger on the turn, flop could probably be a little larger too. I think the river is a decent spot for a bluff. You get called by KJo(12 combos), AJdd(1 combo) but you may fold out his KQ(9 combos) if he is indeed very nitty. If he flats a lot of suited connectors from the BTN this may be bad though because many of them have made two pair and probably won't fold.
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