In 'small stakes hold'em (miller, malmuth and slanksy)' it recommends that you should often openlimp 22-99 to encourage mutiway action... that's a hard pill for me to swallow since I was always taught limping from early position is something you should never do. What do people think about this play?

edit - didn't mean to put 25nl in the subject line.... force of habit

raising has value as a pure steal+balances your range, which limping doesn't accomplish. and you still play large multi-way pots. opponents are less likely to 3bet/squeeze an UTG raise and call with a wide range. in my games (100nl), i either win the pot or play a large pot multi-way. so its even more optimal for set-mining. so i believe opening UTG is better in every way possible than limping

in my experience, there is absolutely no reason to limp with pairs UTG in a 6 max cash game

i am actually more likely to limp behind 22-66 when there is a limp or two in front of me, and I have already been isolating extremely wide and frequently. its rare, but when I expect to get called pre-flop and i dont want to be bluffing with 2 outs post-flop, ill put a call on the BTN/CO with my lowest pairs.

dont like limp@shorthanded.. maybe 22-55 at FR against non-regs

pretty sure by ep they mean seats that dont exist on a 6m table

also thats a limit book...

lol

hahaha

Stop reading anything written by live game players.

its one of the best poker books ever written, actually. not particularly helpful for micro 6m nl online tho

Ah... never played limit/never read the book. I'm kinda biased anyways.

That's a limit book.

I've read most of it although I never played limit and it has a lot of good stuff about hand strength and reading the board. I'd strongly recommend those parts of the book to NL players.

Don't ever limp at NL 6max...Ever...

there's probably a case for open limping pairs and calling

dunno, but you're gonna end up setmining OOP HU most of the time vs a raise.. i think it's no good

stop reading books
start reading 2 + 2

plz ignore this

Swingin, you and Borges are now my favorite posters. Borges for the name and you for the avatar.

I have seen this idea suggested a lot more recently, maybe as an idea to avoid bloated pots OP, however- in practice you do generally have to call a raise & play the pot OP with only 2 top grade outs, that's a assuming the raiser has a stack that makes your call profitable at all. To test the reaction to this move, try it with JJ+ utg, & see how many times you are mightily glad you play on from the flop with a strong hand- & see for yourself how you would have played the same hand with a small PP?

lmao

Yea I don't ever limp unless I have heavy limp odds after all 3 limpers before me limped and I"m the button with heavy drawing/potential hand, only then will I limp.

when i first started playing NL, i ALWAYS limped my small PP's in EP. I was also a net winner with every single pocket pair. So limping in EP isn't necessarily wrong. It might be less right than raising, but I think depending on style, it's debatable. You pick up more pots by being the aggressor, which is the case for raising. But the one thing you sort of lose out is playing your small PP against AA/KK because you get reraised and generally have to fold. If you aren't comfortable raising in EP with small pockets, limping isn't the end of the world.

I'll simply reiterate what has already been said,

This is a great book, but does not apply to the game your playing at all.

It's definitely more of a full ring concept.

Open limping is a FR/Limit poker concept and the book you are talking about I am pretty sure deals with limit poker. That said, its not that early limping is automatically bad, but it has been dealt with and is near universally accepted as a non-optimal strategy.