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07-24-2008 , 09:49 PM
$0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players

Hero (CO): $26.50
BTN: $22.10
SB: $16.90
BB: $21.10
UTG: $25.40

Pre-Flop: JJ dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 6 4 T (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB raises to $5, Hero?

Villain is 28/11/2

fold or shove here?
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07-24-2008 , 10:03 PM
Maybe kinda weaktight, but I'm folding here, expecting to a see a set most of the time here, few other legit hands he could have here really that you beat :/
Without a read that he can bluff this I'm muckin
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07-24-2008 , 10:05 PM
what if we had AA on the same flop. do we call or shove? He has the stats of a fish and the stack of a fish.
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07-24-2008 , 10:07 PM
I'd presume that even this guy would 3bet QQ+ from the blinds, so tho AA would be stronger, relatively speaking its the same as JJ here, possibly worse in that it removes possible AT comboes he could be going mad with imo.

I'm folding AA here too imo (but feeling worse about it)
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07-24-2008 , 10:14 PM
Call, revaluate on turn with your position.
I dont like a shove as he either has a set or is trying to knock you off a missed AK/AQ hand with air/small PP or something.
So shoving you only get called when beat, unless against a donk who will stack off with top pair, but by calling you get to see what he does on the turn and profit from his bluffs.
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07-24-2008 , 10:19 PM
I like to call in this kind of spot and see if he'll lead turn. If he makes a reasonable bet that makes sense with the turn card, I'll sometimes fold and sometimes call. If he doesn't bet the turn, sometimes check behind and call river, but usually bet. It also depends on timing and what I've seen him showdown and whatever else, so kinda hard to say with only stats.
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07-24-2008 , 10:20 PM
by calling here, wouldn't I be pot commiting myself given villain's stack size? would folding > shoving > calling?
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07-24-2008 , 10:31 PM
If i were u i wouldnt shove, since he might have AK, AQ, TT+... if he have TT+ i think he would call u down, small underpair are likely too but then, yr just risking yrself if u see a QKA on the river or turn if u shove, think of it in terms of villain holdings as TT+, AQ+ and many cards could screw u over the time if u shove and he calls u down... 2 pair is pretty unlikely since his playing 28/11/2, more of a Weak Tight passive guy... but usually if these type of guys are firing back at u u better give them respect on their hand since they wouldnt usually fire a lot during the flop... u can float him and see how he does on the turn...but if he fires again u better fold if the turn is not a J.... and u also have to think about how to play if QKA pops out and if he fires again, u might to give up those cards, even if he fires with air since he is showing u aggression in flop, its pretty unlikely that he will not C-bet in the turn... and from the bet size, it seems like his 3betting u...it also depends on yr table image as well, if u have been raising reraising a lot of flops then....its pretty likely that his 3betting light into u.... I would say yr holding is not that strong at that point but u should really fold and mark him down as "3betting l" in the note, and play back at him if his doing that to u again with strong holding... but if u decide to float him, then u should reevaluate the turn...
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07-25-2008 , 04:09 AM
I like a call in this spot. We have position here and get to see what he does on the turn before we have to act again. I am expecting our hand to be good a large % of time here, but if we shove its hard to get called by worse. imo its radiculous to think every time someone raises on a dry board he has to have a set.
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07-25-2008 , 04:35 AM
Villain's line doesn't make too much sense to me. I don't really expect people to cr the flop with 2 pr or a set often. I think they like to wait until the turn to cr or just bet out.

I think they'd do this a lot with pps and tp that just want to take the pot against your AK. He doesn't 100bb behind, so I'd prob just vshove the flop. It's so hard to tell without timing tells and postflop reads though.
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07-25-2008 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by guitarizt
Villain's line doesn't make too much sense to me. I don't really expect people to cr the flop with 2 pr or a set often. I think they like to wait until the turn to cr or just bet out.

I think they'd do this a lot with pps and tp that just want to take the pot against your AK. He doesn't 100bb behind, so I'd prob just vshove the flop. It's so hard to tell without timing tells and postflop reads though.
Agree, his stats also seem weakish . The most likely holding for me sit at J10/Q10/K10/ and A10 (maybe re-raise A10, not sure,)

He isnt as tight as other people say i got him down as more SLPP. Which means he probably calling more broadway hands and raising 1010+ AQ+
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