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25NL, 3Bet pot: river value bet IP? 25NL, 3Bet pot: river value bet IP?

02-25-2015 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Henr1k
And I think it's post flop agg% (HM), not agg frequency (PT).
That explains it I guess.
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02-25-2015 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lvr
33?
yes.

I don't know what's wrong with franchise804 today..
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02-25-2015 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by cardbrute
Jamming. Lots of our range needs to bet here.
I think we have enough bluffs without including KQ.
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02-25-2015 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
yes.

I don't know what's wrong with franchise804 today..
Math is idiotic, but villain bets 17 into 17 so we need to call 17 to win 34.
17/34 = we need to win 50% of the time to break even.

If villain bet 1/2 pot we would need to call 8.5 to win 25.5.
8.5/25.5 = 33%

Sent from my VS870 4G
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02-25-2015 , 03:27 PM
Please be trolling. For your sake.
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02-25-2015 , 03:28 PM
I think he can easily take this line with AK+ just because a lot of those hands hate to get raised, plus we have a ton of busted draws in our range that will stab.

I think there's even merit to him x/raising here with nuts or whatever...

That being said, I think it's a really close spot, and probably still should be a bet just to balance out our range a little in these spots.
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02-25-2015 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by powrhau5
plus we have a ton of busted draws in our range that will stab.
Really? Which?
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02-25-2015 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
Really? Which?


Our draws are gonna be obv spades but we could easily turn a hand like QT or 9T into a bluff here.....

So yeah your right not a ton, but I still think it's makes sense for him to want to c/call with some bigger hands.
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02-25-2015 , 03:41 PM
We likely have to turn QT and T9 into a bluff, because we lack "pure bluffs".

And yeah it definitely makes sense for villain to check some stronger hands than KQ on the river.
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02-25-2015 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
I think we have enough bluffs without including KQ.
Kq not as a bluff though ..
Go through your ranges and what you get to river with. A lot of it will need to jam here.

Yeah villain can check better ofc. Not a valid reason not to jam.

What are you doing with busted spades etc?
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02-25-2015 , 03:54 PM
As far as bet sizing on the river I think that's also tough because we are trying to get value from such a narrow range... Like almost exactly QQ and AJ right?

Against those hands I think we should just polarize our range and jam?

I'm starting to like a check more and more lol
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02-25-2015 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
Please be trolling. For your sake.
Lol nah man I'm either not understanding the question or the best feel player ever. Its not the latter.

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02-25-2015 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise804
Math is idiotic
+1, surprised you don't know this tbh

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Originally Posted by Franchise804
villain bets 17 into 17 so we need to call 17 to win 34.
17/34 = we need to win 50% of the time to break even.
villain bets 17 into 17
pot is 34

we need to call 17 to win 34 + 17 = 51
17/51 = 1/3
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02-25-2015 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by cardbrute
Kq not as a bluff though ..
Go through your ranges and what you get to river with. A lot of it will need to jam here.

Yeah villain can check better ofc. Not a valid reason not to jam.

What are you doing with busted spades etc?
I would shove busted spades. As for the etc, I would need to know what it is composed of.

And I'm pretty sure villain shouldn't call a jam with a range we have >50% against.
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Originally Posted by powrhau5
As far as bet sizing on the river I think that's also tough because we are trying to get value from such a narrow range... Like almost exactly QQ and AJ right?

Against those hands I think we should just polarize our range and jam?

I'm starting to like a check more and more lol
Villain is likely not barreling the turn with these, at least not all combos. And if he is, it's probably with the intention of bluffing the river.

Shoving river seems like a good way to make QQ fold instead of call, if villain ever gets with QQ on the river that is.
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02-25-2015 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TWhelan
+1, surprised you don't know this tbh

villain bets 17 into 17
pot is 34

we need to call 17 to win 34 + 17 = 51
17/51 = 1/3
Lol okaaay

Not sure how I am actually winning something at this game.

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Last edited by Franchise804; 02-25-2015 at 04:55 PM.
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02-25-2015 , 05:08 PM
Generally speaking, you should have more bluffs on the flop, than on the turn, than on the river, and on the river having a ratio of about 2 value to 1 bluff is best (for a psb), then keep in mind as you bet less and less you need fewer bluffs.

It's also important to realize that you can balance your range in a spot like this with multiple sizings, so just because you may jam your flush draws, doesn't mean you need to jam KK, you can jam other things to balance that, etc.
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02-25-2015 , 05:30 PM
@Foreverlearning, what stakes/site do you play?
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02-25-2015 , 05:42 PM
Pokerstars. I moved down to nl50 zoom after a terrible year at nl100 (I only played 300k hands though). Even though I'm overrolled to play 100z, I'm not moving back up until I achieve 5bb/100 over 200k hands. I'm half way there and I hope I'll be able to maintain my winrate.
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02-25-2015 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
Pokerstars. I moved down to nl50 zoom after a terrible year at nl100 (I only played 300k hands though). Even though I'm overrolled to play 100z, I'm not moving back up until I achieve 5bb/100 over 200k hands. I'm half way there and I hope I'll be able to maintain my winrate.
wow nice, appretiate you posting here
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02-25-2015 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Generally speaking, you should have more bluffs on the flop, than on the turn, than on the river, and on the river having a ratio of about 2 value to 1 bluff is best (for a psb), then keep in mind as you bet less and less you need fewer bluffs.
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Yep, at least according to Poker's 1% by Ed Miller, it's valid.
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02-25-2015 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverLearning
Pokerstars. I moved down to nl50 zoom after a terrible year at nl100 (I only played 300k hands though). Even though I'm overrolled to play 100z, I'm not moving back up until I achieve 5bb/100 over 200k hands. I'm half way there and I hope I'll be able to maintain my winrate.
That seems like it's going to be pretty tough imo, gl though
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02-25-2015 , 07:12 PM
Well I'm at 5.4bb/100 over 104k hands. It's possible I ran good but then again, I only need to run good for the next 96k hands
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