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200NL QQ as 3bettor facing raise on KK5 2 Tone 200NL QQ as 3bettor facing raise on KK5 2 Tone

03-02-2024 , 05:37 PM
Hand #2045494136 - Holdem (No Limit) - $1.00/$2.00 - 2024/03/02 19:43:29 UTC
Blitz Poker 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: BU ($207.00)
Seat 2: SB ($200.00)
Seat 3: BB ($251.00)
Seat 4: UTG ($200.00)
Seat 5: HJ ($230.72)
Seat 6: CO (Hero) ($200.00)
SB posts the small blind $1.00
BB posts the big blind $2.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CO (Hero) [Qs Qd]
UTG raises $4.40 to $4.40
HJ folds
CO (Hero) raises $14.00 to $14.00
BU folds
SB folds
BB folds
UTG calls $9.60
*** FLOP *** [5d Kc Kd]
Main pot $29.45 | Rake $1.55
UTG checks
CO (Hero) bets $10.23
UTG raises $42.66 to $42.66

Hero?

Villain stats:

200NL QQ as 3bettor facing raise on KK5 2 Tone Quote
03-02-2024 , 06:05 PM
If you look in solver spots like this you cant even fold Ax with BDFD let alone this one.
200NL QQ as 3bettor facing raise on KK5 2 Tone Quote
03-03-2024 , 04:06 AM
I know solver says we can never fold in these spots. I knew it was a call in theory without looking it up because I have studies these spots before But is V going to have enough bluffs to value combos here, and enough give ups on future streets? We are going to have so much Kx in our range so not a great bluff spot for him.

Villain seems to have a tight range, tight fold to 3bet. A lot of the potential diamond combos he could raise have to be folded out. He isn't even supposed to do this with Kx very often. Flop raise vs cbet in 3bet pot doesn't scream agro.

He is also sizing up his raise quite a bit. He could have clicked to 33% pot or half pot but went a little bigger. If he wanted to attack our range bet, he could have given himself a cheaper price.

I find it hard to give V credit for not going crazy too often with Kx and actually having enough bluffs here. With a fold to 3bet of 62% from EP, I have to imagine AdJd and AdTd are going to be the highest frequency bluffs that villain will have here. A9s, A4s, A3s, AdQx, JTs, and the lower suited connectors are likely folded pre. Meanwhile he has 1 combo KQs, 2 combos KJs, 2 combos KTs, 3 combos 55 although some of that may be folded pre. He is supposed to be just calling with KQs more than half the time. On the flop he is supposed to have way more combos of bluffs than value. I'm kind of not buying it here.
200NL QQ as 3bettor facing raise on KK5 2 Tone Quote
03-03-2024 , 05:07 AM
Easy call. Flop having 2 Ks is a great thing Realistically only losing to 22 or a K and if they have that just pay
200NL QQ as 3bettor facing raise on KK5 2 Tone Quote
03-03-2024 , 07:03 AM
Looking at villains stats we could assume that his preflop none folding range is 38% of 18% or < 7% or something like 66+, AJs+, AQo+
Of course he can have 55 also but would not give that 100%. So basically his value combos are only AK and KK that can play that way. Now would disregard KK as that most of the time will 4B preflop. If AA/KK/AKs three bet his range contains almost 9% value hands (did not give him any 55) and only 3% flush draws.



Think one can fold against a nitty TAG player. Lot depends on how he actually plays AKo preflop
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03-03-2024 , 10:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mlark
I know solver says we can never fold in these spots. I knew it was a call in theory without looking it up because I have studies these spots before But is V going to have enough bluffs to value combos here, and enough give ups on future streets? We are going to have so much Kx in our range so not a great bluff spot for him.

Villain seems to have a tight range, tight fold to 3bet. A lot of the potential diamond combos he could raise have to be folded out. He isn't even supposed to do this with Kx very often. Flop raise vs cbet in 3bet pot doesn't scream agro.

He is also sizing up his raise quite a bit. He could have clicked to 33% pot or half pot but went a little bigger. If he wanted to attack our range bet, he could have given himself a cheaper price.

I find it hard to give V credit for not going crazy too often with Kx and actually having enough bluffs here. With a fold to 3bet of 62% from EP, I have to imagine AdJd and AdTd are going to be the highest frequency bluffs that villain will have here. A9s, A4s, A3s, AdQx, JTs, and the lower suited connectors are likely folded pre. Meanwhile he has 1 combo KQs, 2 combos KJs, 2 combos KTs, 3 combos 55 although some of that may be folded pre. He is supposed to be just calling with KQs more than half the time. On the flop he is supposed to have way more combos of bluffs than value. I'm kind of not buying it here.
Fine than fold. I dont think this is super under bluffed spot and aggro regs will bluff raise you, so i would not make big folds without stronger reads.
200NL QQ as 3bettor facing raise on KK5 2 Tone Quote
03-03-2024 , 01:06 PM
Probably change your H2N to this, the vs-user stats are clearly bugged for you from being fast fold


Did you have no notes on villain or do you just take them on ACR instead of your HUD?
200NL QQ as 3bettor facing raise on KK5 2 Tone Quote
03-03-2024 , 03:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam
Probably change your H2N to this, the vs-user stats are clearly bugged for you from being fast fold


Did you have no notes on villain or do you just take them on ACR instead of your HUD?
Thanks I will look into that. I just have used ACR notes, but not nearly as often as I should. I probably should start putting them in H2N. No notes recorded on V.
200NL QQ as 3bettor facing raise on KK5 2 Tone Quote
03-03-2024 , 08:03 PM
So is this guy actually playing 18/9 or not? If so and all of those stats are correct, this just seems like a very easy fold

Against anyone who looks like an actual reg or an unknown then it's a pretty straightforward call
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03-03-2024 , 11:31 PM
V is actually 21.6/17.7
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03-07-2024 , 02:18 AM
Spoiler:
I folded.
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