Villain is an ok tag, can get out of line occasionally, but not much more than most. He does like to stab the flop/turn a lot in position though. River overshove doesn't make much sense vs my percieved range(which is weak one pair hands imo) I don't think, so I am seriously considering a call.

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
4 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero (CO) ($400)
BTN ($407)
SB ($990.20)
BB ($466)

Pre-Flop: ($6, 4 players) Hero is CO J Q
Hero raises to $12, BTN calls $12, 2 folds

Flop: A J 10 ($30, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $20, Hero calls $20

Turn: 9 ($70, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $56, Hero calls $56

River: 7 ($182, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $319, Hero???

fold. this looks like value town.

nah. bad odds. and he easily can do this with 8 to get u off split. he ha sa hand here too much. i fold.

this is why check/guessing sucks so bad. just b/f the flop

wow u didnt bet the flop. u desrve to get to this spots!

Yes I can b/f flop, but when I check as pfr I don't want to always be folding as its too easy for opponents to call in position and fire every time I check.
Sure then you say I can just c/r occasionally, but I would find it much harder to balance a c/r then I would a c/c as there are always going to be a ton of weak one pair hands in my range on that flop, or pair+gutters anyway.
Obviously this point is perhaps moot as I could just balance maybe by c/c'ing on a different board texture with a different range or something. Man why isn't poker easy anymore .
Someone please tell me if I seem on another planet here or my thinking is at least somewhat coherent.

are you looking for him to show up w/ 56dd here? This seems beyond terrible

We lost to some of his bluffs too....

from a balance perspective, yea its good to have a c/c range, but id rather be happy calling down 3 barrels when i decide to go into c/c mode than have something which cant stand more than 2.

I never like to guess my self and I much rather put my opponents in spots like this. You gave up the hand on the flop, weak play like that pretty much gives your hand away like you said yourself so he is going to always play pretty much perfectly against you on river.

If he had reasons to believe you can fold here, then it's a call, if he had reasons to believe you can call here then it's a fold. But you'd need almost a soul read to guess correctly with such bad odds you just wont ever come out on top in the long run.

Bet/fold flop and for balance mix in c / r turn sometimes if you are really that afraid of floats and bets when you check.

As played I fold and look for another spot to stack this guy. I'd insta fold even Ax here.

Yeah ok I agree my play sucks, but why the hell is he shoving for value against such a weak range?! Whats his value range then?

you are overthinking this/leveling yourself

I probably am, so I'm folding everything worse than an 8?

i dont want to call

fyp..........

j/k. why is this a post with no reads to support a call here?

I mean:
so.........

why the **** would he know this?

huh??

That post is very confusing. I thought this was a terrible spot to overshove for value, so I started thinking about maybe levelling myself into calling.

lol +1

anything that isn't folding seems pretty bad to me

No-one answers the ****ing question though, what do you think his range would be for doing it?

fold ldo. if u called an won u simply clicked btns an got lucky

KQ+ prob. ok tags just aren't bluffing nearly enough here even though you look super weak.

would like to reraise him river but sorry you cant

I'm not even sure if that's supposed to be a joke or not.


Anyway I really want to say I just folded, but I did indeed level myself into calling, embarassing as that is. He had teh KQ obv.

deepah

disagree

id fold river btw, his value shove range here should include hands like 8x+ bc when the hell do you ever show up with better, maybe KQhh exactly? but ok tags prob only overbet jams flushes here.

and no way he's bluffing enough % for you to call here.

i could maybe see hero calling if the flop was like AhJxTh because you have semi blockers to most nut flushes (unless he had KJhh) and if you think he's only overbet jamming the nuts (some people do) but calling here is burning money imo.

+1