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Old 04-30-2009, 01:01 AM   #51
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lol@ everyone at NL50 3betting each other
Accomplishes a lot more than this post.
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Old 04-30-2009, 03:56 AM   #52
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Very good post.
What site is it where you coach?

Edit: oops, already answered, nvm.
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:58 AM   #53
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1k posts is so ****ing weak

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Old 04-30-2009, 05:04 AM   #54
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cliffnotes:
1. find fish
2. isolate fish
3. ?????????
4. profit$$$$$
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Old 04-30-2009, 05:53 AM   #55
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I would like to add something that I have noticed (I used to be just as guilty of it too, btw) in regards to how people approach fish in the micro levels.

A lot of people will complain about how dumb fish can be and I see chat like "OMG how can you call that" etc all the time. However, they then seemingly convince themselves that they are so much better than said player, perhaps because they frequent 2+2... whatever.

I think the main problem regarding people tilting to fish is when they get "sucked out on" by said fish, and then rebuy and continue to play EXACTLY THE SAME against this guy. If he's calling your bluff or underbets, he'll probably continue to do so. Don't complain, change what you're doing and exploit their tendencies.

'Cause more than likely they won't change the way they play, but if you don't... what sets you apart from them?
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Old 04-30-2009, 06:25 AM   #56
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If you started with the optimal strategy against the fish, fish sucks out, fish doesn't change anything, then why change your strategy?
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Old 04-30-2009, 07:19 AM   #57
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Re: 1K Post: Improve Your Game And Your Stats Will Follow!

Nice post Sugar Nut. Too many people get caught up playing a style rather than exploiting players and situations.
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Old 04-30-2009, 07:48 AM   #58
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gh sir.

i was hoping the 1k post would be a shot of the mustache. but this will do.
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:00 AM   #59
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:12 AM   #60
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So does it follow from you OP that when making any decision, your standard (if that word should even exist) range is of minimal importance compared to your reads of other people in the pot and recent gameflow/table dynamic?

Edit: Also does defining oneself as a LAG or TAG in itself become a leak because it is the individual decisions you make during your session which lead to ones own image and not the other way around?
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:14 AM   #61
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Thanks for the great post Sugar Nut! Here's the Cliffs Notes:

1. Don't imitate other people's style but make your own.
2. Adjust your strategy based on table conditions
3. Isolate fish
4. 3bet aggrotard fish
5. Loosen up a lot from the button
6. Improve your game and the stats will follow

Yea I'm trying to adjust to a new strategy I've made in the recent days, it's more loose and aggressive, it also includes more isolating and loosening up from the button like you recommend. What I need to do is focus on adjusting my strategy more based on table condition and 3betting aggrotard fish.

Yea great tip about really working hard on isolating fish. I used to not isolate, but just play similar to my same hands in each position, but not anymore. I should check out your coaching videos sometime! Thanks, Yojimgari
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:18 AM   #62
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I don't have standard ranges, so in essence: Yes, that's what I'm saying.

I mean I'm obv never folding AA so you could say AA is within my "standard" range, but I have played and will play 72o if the situation is good for it
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:06 AM   #63
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:37 AM   #64
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A lot of people will complain about how dumb fish can be and I see chat like "OMG how can you call that" etc all the time. However, they then seemingly convince themselves that they are so much better than said player, perhaps because they frequent 2+2...
As big as 2p2 has grown, I don't think most unl players frequent the site as much as you would think, and even if they are aware of it, that doesn't always mean they take advantage of it's resources.

My observations have been that once people gain an understanding of the game, they think they're pretty good (ldo), and will therefore think that others who don't play the way they do, are bad. An example is weak/tighties will fold often because you obviously have the nuts when you bet strong. (ldo ) Or when you come across a villian who bluffs a lot, sometimes they can be value towned because they think you may also be bluffing when you play back at them. These types can also be tricky, but this is where your observation of how they react comes into play.
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:00 PM   #65
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I wasn't necessarily saying that all uNL players frequent 2+2, merely giving an example of players who might think a little higher of themselves.

Most of the time it's justifiably so but it's incredible to see the amount of subpar players toting their merits.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:30 PM   #66
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I wasn't necessarily saying that all uNL players frequent 2+2, merely giving an example of players who might think a little higher of themselves.

Most of the time it's justifiably so but it's incredible to see the amount of subpar players toting their merits.
Sorry, maybe I misunderstood. I see lots of players who allow ego and pride get the best of them, and it's not just in poker. I used to play Halo a ton, and a lot of people place their personal value in what they do. In other words, if I pwn you, I rock and am a super cool, 1337, dewd. If I get pwnd, I suck and my self worth drops.

It's natural to try to be good at anything you do, but don't go on life tilt because you're not all that good yet. I like the quote that states that failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently. The issue with poker is that playing well, doesn't always equate with immediate rewards, and playing poorly doesn't always equate to immediate punishment. Add the fact that sometimes we have incomplete information, and we can allow our judgement to be clouded.

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Old 04-30-2009, 02:41 PM   #67
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Sugar Nut, I watched your DC vid back in the day, good ****!
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Old 04-30-2009, 03:36 PM   #68
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My observations have been that once people gain an understanding of the game, they think they're pretty good (ldo), and will therefore think that others who don't play the way they do, are bad.
I wouldn't be surprised if some ppl have me marked as a fish btw
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Sugar Nut, I watched your DC vid back in the day, good ****!
Yeah, I did that as a thank you for that awesome site shortly before grinderschool signed me.
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Old 04-30-2009, 03:52 PM   #70
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I wouldn't be surprised if some ppl have me marked as a fish btw
lol, could be, but that's +ev for you!!!
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Old 04-30-2009, 07:58 PM   #71
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Signed up for 3 months at grinderschool. Ship the sugar nut vids!
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Old 05-02-2009, 08:48 AM   #72
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Hi SN

Good post,although your not advertising Grinder school as a member for over a year i thought id drop in say how good GS is,and your VIDS and 3bet lecture have teached me so much,i remember over a year ago you replying to my blog about bankroll and position.That alone got me onto winning ways.
Your post is just typical of the way i approach the game today with success,im by no means the player you are but with GS and hard work im determend to get there one day.I post HH that i mess up all the time on,and its kind of all clicking for me now.
As for playing regs,im half way through writting alittle something myself which i will post here and at GS,for the better players to nit pick at and maybe newbies to learn from.

Thanks SN for all your help and vidoes iv learned and will continue to learn from in the future,keep up the good work.

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Old 05-05-2009, 05:47 AM   #73
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awesome post by mr sugar nut =)

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lol, could be, but that's +ev for you!!!
Today I had a 2+2 reg (No, I won't reveal who it was) change seats from across the table to my immediate left. Guess he has me marked lol.

I could understand had he moved from my right to my left because I try hard to be a pain in the ass on someone's left, but the player across the table is THE player with whom you'll tangle the least in general.

He also gave up position on a loose passive player for that move.
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Old 05-12-2009, 11:03 AM   #75
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Excellent post sir!
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