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08-30-2010 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by GOONERCAM
i don't understand why you're taking things personally lol?
i'm trying to help you and everyone else in the threads improve at poker and improve their thought process. ive not actually disagreed with you in this thread, i said i think calling is fine, i was just picking up on some flawed logic that the blinds would ever squeeze light. just chill man


I like picking your brains even if he dont You make alot of sence although i may not agree with it all. Thats the whole point to see someone elses thought process to see exactly how your thinking in simaler situations.

As im sure i dont make all the right decisions.
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08-30-2010 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartlett
I participate in these threads to improve at poker. But if I wanted a coach I'd hire one.
Makes no sence you use forums to improve but yet wont take on board anyone elses opinion ? You dont sound like you need to improve.
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08-30-2010 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by dawn keebals
I dont see it as a 3 way pot as bartlett said the $1.20 all in is dead money its not a tournement where we need to isolate a short stack to make sure we pick up the pot. As soon as he shoves his $1.20 my attention totally turns to bbs stack and how best to play him.

If we call and he squeezes a wide range here which we can assume 65 vpip does then we have an easy fist pump call if he shoves or an easy back raise if he pumps it up to isolte it himself.

Why would any one be bothered about what bb does the only concideration is how to get him involved surley. In this situation your never laying down QQ to bb no matter what he does or how we play the hand are you ?
lol dude, what?
obviously im not folding QQ in this spot, and i'm happy flatcalling and letting the BB overcall. i honestly don't understand where you've got the idea from that i don't like a call? re-read my posts. what i'm saying is, if you do call and get overcalled, you need to realise that QQ is more vulnerable vs 2 hands than in an all in HU pot, and obv adjust accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Bartlett
I participate in these threads to improve at poker. But if I wanted a coach I'd hire one.
lol, the point is, people post threads asking for advice on hands. i post here to improve just as you do, and people post to improve. i'm not coming after your posts as like a personal vendetta lol, im just correcting some spots where imo the logic is flawed so the OP gets the best possible set of responses.
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08-30-2010 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by dawn keebals
I like picking your brains even if he dont You make alot of sence although i may not agree with it all. Thats the whole point to see someone elses thought process to see exactly how your thinking in simaler situations.

As im sure i dont make all the right decisions.
lol thanks, and yeah obv thats the point. everyone makes mistakes, discussion is good. taking it personally is silly
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08-30-2010 , 12:08 PM
so, whats the verdict, minraise was suboptimal but not bad? And should I call the shove by SB?
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08-30-2010 , 12:09 PM
Anybody really have an issue just shoving this? I can't wait to get it in with QQ @ 10NL esp against BBs stats... over what sample size are those stats btw.
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08-30-2010 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wannabealive
Anybody really have an issue just shoving this? I can't wait to get it in with QQ @ 10NL esp against BBs stats... over what sample size are those stats btw.
40 hands or so.
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08-30-2010 , 12:24 PM
I'm just being a semantics nit here, but can we really use the term 'squeeze' to refer to a possible BB 3-bet?

As I see it, the standard squeeze jams the original raiser between a cold call and a 3-bet. It encourages medium hands to fold (the cold caller still has to act and could 4-bet shove), while if the original openner folds the cold caller is even less likely to have a hand that he'd like to felt.

Here, you can't squeeze the CO because he's already all-in. It will go to showdown. So if BB does re-raise it's going to be a heads up battle with hero for the side pot. In which case you have to hope BB is too stupid to know that protected pots are not good spots for light re-raising.

Now my guess is that this thread wouldn't be here if hero won the pot, but I've seen 65/10 monkeys push 22+ in similar positions (22 beats AK, right!) so I'd be very happy felting QQ here.
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08-30-2010 , 12:38 PM
I don't think the SB is squeezing, he's just isolating the Fish and SB will be getting 2-1 if Hero folds. With the CO range being so weak, I'd make this play with A9+ and any PP,even if I'm dominated getting 2-1 against his range I'm happy enough that it's +EV.

Hero's perceived calling range of this maniacs shove is wide too, so SB might think he can push him hero off most hands with a shove to get the 2-1 odds. So for me QQ is top of hero's range and is an easy call, against what looks like an isolation raise.

Last edited by hitsy; 08-30-2010 at 12:52 PM.
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08-30-2010 , 12:43 PM
I'm not sure what hand you guys are playing. SB raised, BB folded. So no, BB isn't squeezing.
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08-30-2010 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartlett
I'm not sure what hand you guys are playing. SB raised, BB folded. So no, BB isn't squeezing.
Changes nothing.
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08-30-2010 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hitsy
Changes nothing.
Sure it does. SB is completely unknown. BB is a 65/15 noodle.

Does that change what I do as played with all that dead money in the pot? Probably not, but it is different.
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08-30-2010 , 12:56 PM
nobody squeezed lol. SB cold 4bet jammed
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08-30-2010 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartlett

Does that change what I do as played with all that dead money in the pot? Probably not, but it is different.
I agree with you, it changes nothing. But it is different.
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