ull Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 44408
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SB: $12.82
BB: $5.00
UTG: $5.10
Hero (CO): $29.78
BTN: $35.04

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 6 6
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.85) 6 J 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BTN raises to $1.20, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $4.20, BTN calls $3

Turn: ($9.25) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $11.60, BTN calls $8.60

River: ($32.45) Q (2 players)
Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $13.63 all in, BTN calls $13.63

Villains stats 20/10/3 with showdown stats of 58% winning 69%
Just wondering if you would play this differently normally i would bet this turn to protect unfortunately i timed out and so insta checked it, his bet sizing didnt allow me to shove the turn which left me in a sick spot on the river
As played im unsure what to do on this river, i shoved to get value from any TP or 2 pair type hand which he would defintely check back.
Thanks.

Looks like you played it fine...

What was the end product?

Such a sick river. I think it was played well except for the turn check, but you said that was a mistake. Making a blocking bet on the river is pointless cause if he calls you have him beat and a shove would have been better for value, and if he has you beat he'll shove and you're not folding, so the river shove is the way to go. I would think he won't be calling the river without the flush or a higher set but I lean towards flush the way he played it. I see him showing up with AsJs or KsJs. Rough beat.

What's the c/r turn for?

You played it fine even tought I am almost sure he has a monster. But since no draw hits till the river you cant fold a Set on that board.
Maybe c/c the river would be better, but nothing else you can do.

I know the c/r turn wasnt made on purpose but I like it alot, I tend to do it more against vilain who I know are capable of floating.

In ur case I would raise a bit more on turn like ~13$, that betsize will make the river even more irrelevant.

Lol @ everyone saying "played fine"

As long as the turn check was unintentional I think it's ok. I would have just shoved the turn though, pot odds be damned. I don't think his calling range changes much from $11.60 to a shove, but he's obviously not calling a missed draw on the river.

I think by overbetting shove you allow vilain to get away not making the mistake you want him to make

i agree cr here is bad esp if there is a check behind , just bet the turn imo

Iknow it wasn't your intention, but I like checking here 20-25% of time. However, you gave an fdraw with gutshot about correct odds to call that turn without any implied odds. Lets say you raise to 16 dollars to try and take away his implied odds with a fdraw and gutshot. If you raise to 16, there will be 28.25 in pot. He's then calling 13 and getting 2.17 to 1. But if you're putting 13 in on this river then I assume you're always putting in the 9.23 you'd have left if you had C/R'd to 16 on turn. So it's implied that he's getting 2.88 to 1 which means he needs just 25.77% to break even and is making his hand 23.9% if we take away 2 of his flush outs for boats. Pretty close. But I think that this is the best choice. I guess it's possible for him to have KJ here as well giving us even better chances. He might not ever call 16 with even top two pair though, so to reduce variance and price him out of a 910spades call, maybe we should check shove turn?

same question

C/R turn because there's some money in the pot already and the only hand that beats us that he could call preflop is 88. A check shove guarantee's that we'll take his implied odds from him. I think that because there are so many rivers that are scary and allow him to take this pot away from us if we check call, given how much we leave behind, that we're not losing equity by pushing him off hands we have beat. He probably isn't vbing thin on the river with this board IP.. so we lose equity from draws that may have incorrectly called and still have to donk out safe rivers and hope for a 2pair call for value otherwise we're underplaying our hand here.

+1

I see some major bet sizing issues here. This is a drawing board and you have a strong hand. Get the money in ASAP before you face a bad card on the turn or river.

$0.80 on the flop. He minraises to $1.60 then. Then you can make it like $6 to go.

This would make the turn pot size $12.85. Lead out with a PSB on the turn. Now you're WAY committed and not folding any river, but so is he.

If he's drawing here you need to charge him the maximum. Checking the turn is TERRIBLE here. If you timed out because you're playing too manny tables, then you're costing yourself money and need cut back on the tables.

Preflop raise is good, c-bet 10c more on the flop, 3bet to 3.5x on the flop, and c-bet 80% pot on the turn. If you check he may check behind. A 67% pot bet on the turn is putting about 33% of your stack which is about the pot commitment threshold. I think betting 80% pot on the turn is better since it makes your river decision easier, sets up an easier all-in on the river, and value bets his draws a bit more.

As played you aren't folding on the river even though the draws showed up, so bet all-in. If the hand was played better, you would still bet all-in on the river I think. Good luck, Yojimgari

For everyone asking why he's checking the turn, read the post... timed out. It was unintentional.

flop is too dangerous for freecards...

Great advice. I'm sure he appreciates it.

i think his advice is pretty solid againts the first comments, it make us think again about the hand and try to search our fault IMO

I recommended in my post for him to bet not to check. Thanks, Yojimgari

Great advice, i initially didn't see what you mean by the implied odds i'm 100% of time shoving this river so my whole stack is implied with this check raise so i should of over bet check raised to get rid of his odds.


I think i have to agree with the bet sizing as i always maintain same bet size usually other then short stacks (to give less info), i usually forget about deep stack play. I don't agree with check shoving the turn as i basically get all that beats me to call and anything i'm behind to fold (even a fish knows to fold TP for a 200 BB shove), but i do agree my bet sizing was quite horrible in that spot also.
With regards to the "terrible check" i was actually getting sweated at the time so i was talking to him about what would be the better option not that iwas playing too many tables as i said my usual line would be to bet near enough pot this turn. Then shove any river although i would be mighty pissed if the 3rd flush came.

P.S. Judging by his line it and timing it seemed quite obvious he was on a draw, would anyone argue against my shove on river as it was played? Or is that too weaktight?

Thanks for the responses,
Nuvan.

u were raising all along and K pops on turn and killed yr action...if i were u i'll bet that turn to

Navie, normally i would bet to protect but timed out unfortunately.

If i potted the turn that would leaver ~ pot sized bet on the river, what would be the best line? my line would be to 1/4 bet pot if flush comes on the river fold to shove. Or once again is this too weaktight?

lol the pot is 33$ on the river, your only option is to shove or c/c c/c sucks because his betting range<calling range thus we shove.

Also don't time out with your set man.

i think im 3betting more in this flop(something like $6.50 -$7.50)
To try to shove turn(if no spade falls).
I want his stack now!.
as played...
The turn check is awful and river shove is the only move.