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04-11-2010 , 04:29 AM

Number1Hater

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villan: no reads.

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BB: $10.00
UTG: $8.62
MP: $9.75
CO: $14.76
Hero (BTN): $10.20
SB: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with K

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, SB calls $0.30, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.80) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.80) 5

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.60, SB raises to $4, Hero?

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04-11-2010 , 04:34 AM

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I think he could do this for value with worse, slow played AK, 75 or he could have a pair and heart some of the time. I think I would go all in.

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04-11-2010 , 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Number1Hater

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, SB calls $0.30, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.80) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.80) 5

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.60, SB raises to $4, Hero?

I believe that you could shove and be ahead a large % of the time. Other than a set you are crushing Any K any overpair, it would make sense that the SB would check call top pair on the flop and check raise the turn. I would put him on a K here probably more than 50% of the time, the turn bailed you out shove for value against strong Ks, 99s/88s/TTs/JJs+(in case he slowplayed)

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04-11-2010 , 05:06 AM

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considering if you flat he is only checking when behind and shoving when ahead of you I would shove turn to charge draws. I am never folding this even though he has us beat a good percentage of the time. his range is too wide to fold 2 pair imo.

Edit: add to the range in post above Ah7h type hands and even AhJh/AhQh

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04-11-2010 , 05:08 AM

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No offense bc this is directed at uNL (and me), but if you don't know how you fare/ don't know to do here your really bad. (drunk)

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04-11-2010 , 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9

No offense bc this is directed at uNL (and me), but if you don't know how you fare/ don't know to do here your really bad. (drunk)

no not really. it's not that trivial. but you're drunk so what do you know.

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04-11-2010 , 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by desperad0oo7

no not really. it's not that trivial. but you're drunk so what do you know.

I hate to type this much on my itouch but whatever. First off even after 15 hands you should atleast be able to narrow villains range, is he creative? Straight forward? You should know something.

Secondly think about his range pre, PP's/SC/ and a few KQ or KJ type hands, for the sake of argument I'm assume AK would have gotten 3 bet. So his c/c range is 1/2 of the combos of Kx bc ransoms will donk or c/r sometimes so that leaves us w/ 6 combos of KQ and 6 of KJ making 12

Blah blah not doing math but basically your hand is a bluff catcher expect when he shows up with K2 bc no one is good enough to cr a bluff here.

Cliffs snap fold

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04-11-2010 , 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9

your ranges are off. I would refrain from posting while "drunk"

even if you were correct, you have no right to attack OP because it's "obvious"

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04-11-2010 , 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by desperad0oo7

your ranges are off. I would refrain from posting while "drunk"

even if you were correct, you have no right to attack OP because it's "obvious"

Dude this is a super snap fold, tell me what hands we beat then I'll consider wasting my time helping donks that watched ESPN that will also quit 2+2 and poker entirely in a few weeks lol

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04-11-2010 , 05:47 AM

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I would shove here and be pretty happy about it.

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04-11-2010 , 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by D1iabol1cal

I would shove here and be pretty happy about it.

Honestly are you Hoping for that one in a hundred chance he played AA like this?

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04-11-2010 , 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9

Dude this is a super snap fold, tell me what hands we beat then I'll consider wasting my time helping donks that watched ESPN that will also quit 2+2 and poker entirely in a few weeks lol

Ah7h, AhQh, AhJh, Ah3h,K2,

Edit: meant Ah2h, not Ah3h, hell he can even have 57s

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04-11-2010 , 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by desperad0oo7

Ah7h, AhQh, AhJh, Ah3h,K2,

Edit: meant Ah2h, not Ah3h

if we think villain is only playing K2s rather than a K2o than there are still more combos of setS that make sense.... Even more reason to fold

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04-11-2010 , 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9

if we think villain is only playing K2s rather than a K2o than there are still more combos of setS that make sense.... Even more reason to fold

no there isn't. there is only 6 combos of sets given his line

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04-11-2010 , 06:03 AM

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Honestly are you Hoping for that one in a hundred chance he played AA like this?

No, but I think there are alot of worse hands that play this way. I haven't played 10NL for a long time but it seems there aren't many hands that beat you here (77 or 22 is it imo).

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04-11-2010 , 06:15 AM

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no there isn't. there is only 6 combos of sets given his line

His turn play is much more indictative of 55 than xxhh given the passive play of NL10. But still even if he has a pair+fd he has 14*2=roughly 30 percent against the dream sit for us just stove it to see how crushed we are

in b4 horrible stoves

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04-11-2010 , 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9

first off, that's never 55 when he c/c flop. even then, there is only 1 55 left.

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04-11-2010 , 06:28 AM

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

572 games 0.001 secs 572,000 games/sec

Board: Kh 2d 7s 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.615% 59.09% 00.52% 338 3.00 { 77, 22, AhQh, AhJh, Ah7h, Ah2h, K7s, K2s }
Hand 1: 40.385% 39.86% 00.52% 228 3.00 { Kd5d }

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and I have been kind enough not to put lower Axhh in his range.

that's a horrible fold. all the worse with no reads

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04-11-2010 , 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by desperad0oo7

first off, that's never 55 when he c/c flop. even then, there is only 1 55 left.

Given that good or bad regs will cc here w 55 I think it's safe to say a donk would too, anyways anytime villains range is almost 50% sets and we aren't pot commited then fold.

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04-11-2010 , 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9

Given that good or bad regs will cc here w 55 I think it's safe to say a donk would too, anyways anytime villains range is almost 50% sets and we aren't pot commited then fold.

dude, this is never 55. it's much more likely to to be AhTh than 55.

we need at least 38% equity to shove considering he is never folding after the 3 bet. we have it

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04-11-2010 , 06:37 AM

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that's not even considering villain is ******ed and has some pocket pair or AK

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04-11-2010 , 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by desperad0oo7

dude, this is never 55. it's much more likely to to be AhTh than 55.

we need at least 38% equity to shove considering he is never folding after the 3 bet. we have it

But is k(2+7) really in hus range?

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04-11-2010 , 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9

But is k(2+7) really in hus range?

if it's sooted, then yes

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04-11-2010 , 10:00 AM

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you're assuming villian calls k2s oop...im not convinced. you're also assuming way to many semibluffs I think.

Now what do we beat here? Assuming hes not a completey spewy aggrofish.