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01-01-2023 , 08:48 PM
CO is a 21/16/15 over 168 hands. Small sample, but seems reggish with a higher 3bet. SB is a 42/19/8 over 40 hands. Small sample but clearly a fish.

Pre, SHould I just be calling? Seemed like a decent spot to 4bet given his wide 3bet and the fishes dead money.

Flop is a clear cbet, I pick 1/3rd as a standard cbet size thats weighted more twards value, he tank calls.

Turn I ship thinking this should fold any JJ/TT, and any non club suited AQ/KQ/QJ that continued, any flush draws, and I assume he doesn't have AK/KK/AA as he would have shipped them pre.

I am obviously repping AA/KK/QQ & AK here.

Is this a profitable line or is this a punt?


Yatahay Network - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 51.6 BB
UTG: 61.9 BB
Hero (MP): 102.9 BB
CO: 100 BB
BTN: 124.7 BB
SB: 147 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 9

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, CO raises to 7.5 BB, fold, SB calls 7 BB, fold, Hero raises to 24 BB, CO calls 16.5 BB, fold

Flop: (56.5 BB, 2 players) 5 Q 3
Hero bets 18.2 BB, CO calls 18.2 BB

Turn: (92.9 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 60.7 BB and is all-in, CO calls 57.8 BB and is all-in

River: (208.5 BB, 2 players) T

Players agreed to run it twice.

River #2: (208.5 BB, 2 players) 4

Spoiler:
Hero shows 9 9 (One Pair, Nines)
Board #1 (Pre 53%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
(One Pair, Nines)
Board #2 (Pre 53%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)

CO shows Q A (One Pair, Queens)
Board #1 (Pre 47%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
(One Pair, Queens)
Board #2 (Pre 47%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)

CO wins 99.1 BB
CO wins 99 BB
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01-01-2023 , 10:40 PM
Pre is probably mix in theory but with the fish in SB I'm pure calling,

I am not super studied in 4b pots but don't think we should be range betting this board Oop and I imagine if we are it's a smaller sizing.

Turn as played I am giving up we have much better bluffs imo and our value range doesn't have many combos
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01-04-2023 , 07:39 PM
Think i prefer to flat pre with the other villain coming along too.



I think you can go a touch smaller OTF here
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01-05-2023 , 07:19 AM
^^^^ yup agreed with these gents re not 4b pre and the smaller sizing otf. When he calls you otf your goose is cooked (even before looking at the spoil)...

Speaking of which ... Don't post results.
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01-05-2023 , 10:23 AM
Stop making decisions based on 168 hands. For real. Everyone. You can't make any "ohh he is so wild with the 3bets oop" when you have like 5 situations sample.

Given the odds for villains call ott that jam is pretty big punt imo. Never folding what you expect him to fold. Or should fold.
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01-05-2023 , 07:05 PM
99's with a club for that sizing is quite good, imo. Definitely not looking to 4 bet. If we were deeper, that would be OK.
I don't think it's a "punt". But it's definitely a value-own.
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01-05-2023 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RandomLurker
Stop making decisions based on 168 hands. For real. Everyone. You can't make any "ohh he is so wild with the 3bets oop" when you have like 5 situations sample.

Given the odds for villains call ott that jam is pretty big punt imo. Never folding what you expect him to fold. Or should fold.
168 hands isn't the smallest sample size. If you took 15% of 168, you'd have about 25 hands. If someone 3 bets you 25 times, out of 168 possible hands, that's quite alot.
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01-05-2023 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Icecreamcone
168 hands isn't the smallest sample size. If you took 15% of 168, you'd have about 25 hands. If someone 3 bets you 25 times, out of 168 possible hands, that's quite alot.
It's 15% 3bet out of all 3bet opportunities. In the 168 hands, this villain did not get 168 opportunities to 3bet, far from it. This is exactly why this stat converges slower than VPIP or PFR.
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01-05-2023 , 07:48 PM
I like the 4bet given the cold caller. Post you probably want to barrel more with a club but this seems fine. IDK if the correct size OTT is all in though; even with that little behind, it doesn't seem like your range needs to deny that much equity.
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01-05-2023 , 08:48 PM
OP, what are you trying to achieve preflop?

Get folds? If that is the case, you should be much more polar here.

Get calls? Not great since we flop overpairs so rarely, and even when we do flop overpairs, we still run into TT+ here, especially 3 way. Plus, how are we playing over flops containing bad over cards?

What are you doing if you get jammed on pre?

Take the price, close the action and take a flop by calling.
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01-06-2023 , 12:12 AM
I don't think 4b squeezing 99 is a good idea normally. The rest is probably either ok or not good depending on what kind of player you're against.
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