PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.06, PFR: 14.08, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 74)
SB: 148.1 BB (VPIP: 36.59, PFR: 26.83, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 43)
BB: 165.8 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
UTG: 87.9 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP: 137.1 BB (VPIP: 25.64, PFR: 12.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)
Hero (CO): 100.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 6

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6.8 BB

Flop: (18.5 BB, 2 players) K 8 6
BB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn: (30.5 BB, 2 players) 9
BB bets 19 BB, Hero calls 19 BB

River: (68.5 BB, 2 players) 5
BB bets 131.8 BB and is all-in

Fold pre

Are you saying this because villain is relatively unknown with no stats?

Pre is good, so are flop and turn.
Think in theory this is probably a call,it's not top of our range we have 99 88 98 and plenty of 7x and plenty of flushes. However due to population tendencys I would lean towards a fold on the river but think if the population was bluffing at the right frequency then this would be a call

We have a mostly garbage hand and the raise is pretty big.

What makes pre good?

If we stealing wide in the co like we should be then we are going to have to defend pretty wide Vs BB resteals. Just checked and snowie is defending this as a call 69% and raising 31%. Obviously if we are opening tighter then can let this go or if we think that the player tendency is to under resteals then we can exploit fold; but in theory this is a good call. Not sure how aggro 10NL players resteals but with no reads I am calling and happy to play this hand IP where we can realise a lot of equity.

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Pre is fine, not folding now.

I'd prolly call off, cause you know I'm a POW and see V's AQ

In reality should be a fold, cause you'd rarely see a 10NL player have enough bluffs in here

Also yeah, fold pre.

Fold pre-flop to the raise. You're at the bottom of your range, so no shame in folding this one.

Stop commenting on strategy forums with just "fold pre" FFS.

Raise flop & GII. Slowplaying bottom 2 on this board vs an unknown is kinda nonsense IMO. Almost every card in the deck is a scare card for our hand

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This so much.
If we elect to play 86 pre & we flop 2pair we should be looking to GII ASAP

I'd call vs the 3bet pre, but folding or even 4betting probably make sense. Not much of a mistake anyway.
Raising/gii with bottom two is on the overplay side imo. Calling flop/turn and sigh folding river.

Raise GII with flopped bottom2 here isn't remotely close to overplaying

A better 2pair is almost a non consideration. When villain continues we'll be up against AA, AK, (with & without a spade), a pair plus spade, or bare Ace of spades the vast majority of the time. If he has a flush or KK its whatever - sometimes you've just gotta get stacked.

I'd be over the moon if I had any of the above hands & my opponent just called my 1/3 pot bet with 86.
You may well be beat but, readless, when you 'slowplay' a hand this strong you kinda need to call it down all the way fairly liberally.

Pre is probably losing. I fold to this large raise. I call on the button, or if the raise is a bit smaller. We can defend our suited connectors

AP fold river. We should have a fair amount of better hands, and we don't have to defend very wide to this line, especially against the population. Probably don't have to defend much wider than sets and flushes

I snap called and he showed AsX.

Wtf people saying fold pre, I’m calling against anyone who’s not a confirmed nit here IP. Never folding post unless 4th spade hits. Agree with raise flop tho

Shouldn't the default on 10NL stars zoom be to assume people are nits? I'm still skeptical that this is +EV when you factor in rake

Post stats of the population's 3-bet tendencies and prove me wrong

If we open this hand we must call.

I was talking about fold when it gets to us.

Having absolutely no reads on V, I agree that pre is a fold. I would probably defend 67s-98s pre most of the time.

Won't comment on post flop since I already know the results.

Edit: Snowie suggests a call 69%, 4b 31%. Ofc that's 100BB eff facing a PSB after 2.5x open. OP opened 2.2x and is facing > PSB. I would say lower suited gappers can/should be dropped, esp considering the massive rake.

Yeah, nicely done.

As I say, I'm always raising the flop but having just called, I'm really not in favour of folding when no more spades or high cards hit. This is basically the nut runout aside from boating up.

Not a fistpump call by any means but our hand looks like pair + spade (at best KxQs) so folding when we have much better than that seems pretty bad

Doesn't the population only 3-bet about 5% of the time in BB? You'd be up against a wider range if villain was in SB, but BB 3-bet ranges are generally a fair bit tighter.
I think it's standard to call with 65s+, but I'd fold suited gappers like this to a BB 3-bet of this size.

Just because his range is stronger doesn’t mean we have to fold all the time. With position our hand is pretty easy to play post flop, and if we develop a strong hand can stack premiums as they don’t put us on 86

The thing about playing against tight/strong ranges (villain has a lot of QQ+/AK) is that you'll face a c-bet and turn barrel more often than you do against a wide/weak range (lots of ace highs and underpairs). In short, you won't be able to realize your equity cheaply, which is what you typically want to do with hands like this.

But I think you should draw a line somewhere. If you call with all hands with "potential", then you'll be calling too much.

Against a 3-bet of this size your minimum defense frequency is 30%. You might as well pick the best hands to defend with. The suited connectors are better than the suited 1-gappers, so fold the 1-gappers and call with the connectors. You will still easily defend the required 30%.

Meeting the MDF isn't important. We're obviously not folding 70% of our range to a 3-bet. We just want to call with hands that actually break even or better, such that calling is better than folding.
I just think that 86s will struggle to win back 6.8bb from an 18.5bb pot against a strong range that will c-bet at a high frequency. (Especially once rake "steals" a proportion of the pot).
It's not massively losing (like calling with J5s or ATo would be), but I don't think it's profitable. If Snowie was caught between calling and 4-bet bluffing, it's presumably because it has an EV of close to, if not exactly, zero. I don't think it's worth taking such a thin spot at 10NL when you can fold, lose 2.2bb, and spend the next 2 minutes playing hands that are more obviously +EV instead.