Both players are fishy
MP1 is 21/21 (110 hands)
MP3 is 30/15 (211 hands)

Both are big losers on PTR but I was unaware of this at the time (I had a feeling though lol...)



[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
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MP3: $131.15 (131.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $100 (100 bb)
BTN: $38 (38 bb)
SB: $42.10 (42.1 bb)
BB: $39.75 (39.8 bb)
MP1: $211.50 (211.5 bb)
MP2: $174.60 (174.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
MP1 raises to $2, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $2, Hero raises to $9, 3 folds, MP1 calls $7, MP3 calls $7

Flop: ($28.50) 9 4 9 (3 players)
MP1 bets $14, MP3 calls $14, Hero??

I know this is SS but I'm one of your guys really.
I'd like to know who thinks its better to flat here for pot control/tarping and who thinks raising to say $38-42 is better?

you can do either really tbh. flatting with the intention of jamming every turn works; raising to ~$35 with intentions of calling it off or jamming every turn works too. whatever you think will get opponents to put in their entire stack with TT-QQ

I think flat flop, try to get it in turn is best.

i play 25nl but think raise flop vs these guys is better.

would not expect one of them to continue to barrel multi way so imo get more value from raising yourself.

wouldnt want to see a J Q K peel on turn and kill your action.

This, I'd be raising. Not sure what my sizing would be though, would be good to see what you guys think.

this. raise to $41.70 imo

$36/call. Shove turn.

TBH I prefer more preflop. One of the benefits of minraising is being able to call 3bets from super hard ranges for ++ postflop IO. I know it kinda screws your value prop here, but I prefer blowing them out to getting into RIO spot. Especially against these two knuckle heads, who look more likely to call than most.

I agree with everyone about the flop.

just raise and try to get it in on the flop. If it was heads up flatting wouldn't be bad, but 3 way they're both drawing to 2 outs and it's not guaranteed we'd get action on the turn if we flat cause like the others said there are a ton of action killers left in the deck. I'd rather raise and try to make one of them stack off with JJ here than play the cat and mouse game.

Pf is fine. One of the benefits of minraising and calling 3bets is losing a lot of money. We don't care if they do it because we're hopefully not the type of player to stack off with an overpair on crappy boards. We're making a lot of money in the long run if they call. Blowing them out of the pot would suck.

Shove of flop

better?
again two fishyy villains





[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
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BTN: $42.50 (42.5 bb)
SB: $225.80 (225.8 bb)
BB: $122.40 (122.4 bb)
UTG+2: $70.50 (70.5 bb)
MP1: $100.65 (100.7 bb)
Hero (MP2): $111.30 (111.3 bb)
MP3: $48.25 (48.3 bb)
CO: $101.05 (101.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J J
UTG+2 raises to $2, MP1 calls $2, Hero raises to $11, 5 folds, UTG+2 calls $9, MP1 calls $9

Flop: ($34.50) T 7 4 (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $24, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $89.65 and is all-in, Hero calls $65.65

Not better. This is a much tougher spot. You're getting check/raised here on a dry board when you're repping an overpair. So they either think they have you beat, they think they can make you fold a better hand, or they aren't thinking of anything besides their hand and are oblivious to anything else.

Pf seems too big unless they are really fishy, also.

I guess you only need like ~30% to call the flop jam, so it seems ok since fish can do some weird things every now and then. But I expect to see a better hand probably more often than the odds we need.

I think pre is good, and yeah flop is just a pot odds snap call (and occasionally we have the best hand)