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03-29-2011 , 12:31 PM
Mebye ~100 hands in. Dont have stats on villain or anything but hes def the most competent player iv'e ever met. I know he was a regular @nl2k bout a year ago, also seem him @nl5k a couple of times. Don't know if he's gone busto, or just playing for fun/making a video out of my misery.

Anyways, he's been 3betting approx. 15-17% and I have seen him taking this line with strong draws/weaker pairs before. Q I have is what line you prefer to take on the river. Calling seemed to be the most obv one at first, but I tink i could get him to fold alot of Kx type of hands here by shoving...

$0.50/1.00 No Limit Hold'em Cash Games, 2 Players
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Board:
CO: $127,38
Button: $287,64

Dealt to Button A Q

Pre-flop:
Button raises to $3,00, CO raises to $9,00, Button calls $9,00

Flop: ($18)K Q 7 (2 Players)
CO bets $13,50, Button calls $13,50

Turn: ($45)9 (2 Players)
CO checks, Button checks

River: ($45) 7 (2 Players)
CO bets $33,50,Button ???
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03-29-2011 , 03:20 PM
The river is definite call. It's a three bet pot. He c-bet once. You showed weakness on the flop and turn.

His bluff % here is through the roof.

And IMO a shove is bad unless you think he's calling with a worse queen or some lower pocket pair... but you're not getting him off a K here... especially after your weak line on the flop and turn.

Last edited by lionmaw; 03-29-2011 at 03:28 PM.
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03-29-2011 , 03:28 PM
I fold. This is the exact line I expect him to take with a K here. Why didnt you bet the turn?
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03-29-2011 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakYaNeck
I fold. This is the exact line I expect him to take with a K here. Why didnt you bet the turn?
I agree that a turn bet is a must.

But you really think he checks a king on the turn?

Why?
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03-29-2011 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lionmaw
I agree that a turn bet is a must.

But you really think he checks a king on the turn?

Why?
Sure a % of the time I think he does. He can check for pot control not wanting to get put in a bad spot if he were to get c/r. I dont think he ever takes this line as a bluff here especially with the board run out and if he did have air I think the turn is a pretty good card for him to fire another street
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03-29-2011 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakYaNeck
Why didnt you bet the turn?
why do you want to bet a hand that u were bluffcatching with otf, when the draw completes?
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03-29-2011 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakYaNeck
I fold. This is the exact line I expect him to take with a K here. Why didnt you bet the turn?
Tbh i'm scared of getting c/r on turn here. I think betting turn here makes him think that i'm taking a stab at the pot, rather than actually doing it for value. + As I said, I've seen him take this line with draws, and when fd completes on turn, I see that as a decent part of his range.

And also, would you ever consider a call/raise here against a decent/good reg you know might take this line with some kx hands (mabye even Qx hands)? Why/why not?
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03-29-2011 , 07:43 PM
i call against described villian. against the average grinder snpafold.
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03-30-2011 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BreakYaNeck
I fold. This is the exact line I expect him to take with a K here.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BreakYaNeck
Sure a % of the time I think he does. He can check for pot control not wanting to get put in a bad spot if he were to get c/r. I dont think he ever takes this line as a bluff here especially with the board run out and if he did have air I think the turn is a pretty good card for him to fire another street
first quote seems to imply you believe he would take this line with most/a lot Kx combos, which is a far cry from "a % of the time" imo.

He cant be checkraised of course, only shoved on.

I disagree that the turn is a good card for him to barrel with air, the 9s completes the obvious straight and flush draws, in addition to giving added equity to most Qx combos we have. I cant imagine what he could expect us to fold besides like some 78s type combos and like AJ-AT no spade

add in hes old nl2k-5k reg and Im just gonna call. After you check back turn though, he has to put a ton of Qx in your range tho, so w/e

edit:i would never ever shove

Last edited by Charmer; 03-30-2011 at 01:25 AM.
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03-30-2011 , 10:52 AM
Don't shove here, not a good spot to rep anything except a slow played flush and maybe 7x, if you ever shove that for value here. He'll definitely snap you off with anything he was value betting.

I'd probably fold because this isn't really a line he's going to take as a bluff very often. He does have some bluffs here but I think his value hands make up a much much larger % of his range.
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03-30-2011 , 01:35 PM
call riv as played, your hand is pretty face up at this point and shoving is only going to fold out weaker hands and he is NEVER folding a K.
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