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Originally Posted by fityfmi
I'm not sure that this makes sense to me. How are we getting exploited if we cbet a ton, as long as we play good against villains ranges after that?
If you c-bet too frequently, then even if you play perfectly afterwards you will wind up putting more money in the pot with weak hands than you would have if you'd checked more often.
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Originally Posted by fityfmi
Villain will not profit by checkraising any two if we call him down wide enough? And if villain is only checkraising for value, then we can comfortably muck.
But what if villain check-raises a balanced range of bluffs and value, as he should? In that case, you're forced to call down with more bluff-catchers and put much more money in the pot with weak hands than if you'd simply checked behind.
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Originally Posted by fityfmi
We obviously have the challenge of figuring out what his x/r-range really consists of, but the same problem applies to him: He needs to figure out what our cbetting range is. Is my thinking flawed here?
Ignore what his x/r-range really consists of. Try to figure out what it
should consist of, and then figure out how to play against
that.
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Originally Posted by fityfmi
The reason I'm reluctant to check back KK here, is because what are you going to do when you open 80%+ preflop, and end up on this flop with T or J-high?
All J-high and T-high hands are not created equal. Hands with two overcards to the 4 are much better to bet than hands with a 3 or 2 in them. Betting JT-J5 and T9-T5 while checking J3/J2 and T3/T2 would be perfectly fine.
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Originally Posted by fityfmi
If villain knows that we are checking back KK, how can he possibly not just go in calldown mode with like K-high and better? Because K-high is really a monster hand if we are cbetting our air and not our big pockets.
Well, he might decide not to go into call-down mode with K-high if he doesn't like lighting money on fire. Of course, if he decides that donating to us would be fun, then we should be perfectly satisfied with having him call down with K-high.
You have a problem in that you think in terms of categories like "air" when in fact every individual hand has characteristics that make it good or bad to bet.
Even if ~2/3 of our bets on the flop here consist of "air" (as they should), where "air" refers to hands worse than king-high, villain cannot profitably continue with most K-high hands (obviously he should continue with K5+ if he has a backdoor flush draw) if we play the turn and river well.
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Originally Posted by fityfmi
So what do you suggest that we cbet?
Most of our 8s (only checking with our weakest kickers), pocket pairs not strong enough to give a free card but >= 44, about half of our 4s (usually betting with a good kicker and checking with a bad one), and a little less than half of our unpaired hands, preferring to bet hands that are either strong enough to be for value (basically just our best ace-high hands) or that lack showdown value (J-high or worse) but have two overs to the 4 (including gutshots).
This works out to a little less than half our hands. Understand that after being check-raised, we will need to continue with all of our value hands (4s+) and some of our "air" in order to prevent ATC from being profitable raises, and the best "air" hands to continue with will have 3-flushes and preferably 3-straights. So, for example, 95 with a 3-flush would be better to continue with than AQo. Remember, in order to call all-in we need an 8 or better, so improving to top pair with AQ is not our goal. It's the same reasoning behind why 76s is a better hand to call a 3-bet pre with than A7o.
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Originally Posted by fityfmi
And if we are not cbetting our air, what do we do when we miss the turn?
What is "air"? Is A2 "air? What about KQ? QJ?
The obvious answer is that if he bets, you call sometimes, fold sometimes, and raise sometimes. If he checks, you check sometimes and bet sometimes.
In other words, just play poker.
Last edited by Spladle; 12-05-2013 at 12:05 AM.