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09-27-2023 , 03:21 AM

invet

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Hello!! I assume the BB is not very good, since he flat call bet pre OOP with HJ still left to act. Do you think I should just jam OTF?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $12.92 (129.2 bb)
SB: $20.26 (202.6 bb)
BB: $22.69 (226.9 bb)
UTG: $14.05 (140.5 bb)
MP: $10.75 (107.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $10.32 (103.2 bb)

SB posts $0.05, BB posts $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has J

fold, MP raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, 2 folds, BB calls $1.10, fold

Flop: ($2.75, 2 players) 4

BB checks, Hero bets $0.90, BB raises to $5.33, Hero

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09-27-2023 , 04:50 AM

slyless

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Jam looks fine here against the weak villain.

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09-27-2023 , 08:18 AM

Franchise804

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Originally Posted by slyless

Jam looks fine here against the weak villain.

What information is this breakdown communicating?

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09-27-2023 , 08:18 AM

Franchise804

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SPR is ~3.5 = gii

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09-27-2023 , 09:07 AM

slyless

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Originally Posted by Franchise804

What information is this breakdown communicating?

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Show the equity of our hand against our opponent's estimated range.

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09-27-2023 , 10:44 AM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by slyless

Show the equity of our hand against our opponent's estimated range.

Are these ranges from H2Note data or is this what you think a Fish's CC 3bet range is?

The reason I ask is because I've been tracking these ranges for the past month or so and although I have a small sample of 35 hands. QQ-AA has not shown up in this sample yet

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09-27-2023 , 11:53 AM

AskZandar

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Looks like an easy jam. Maybe you lose to some stupid hands like A4s, 88, 44, and QQ, but you beat A8s and all other pocket pairs/random trash.

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09-27-2023 , 12:38 PM

Haizemberg93

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I would also jam, but not too happy at all. Whenever they make big raise leaving so little behind its very nutted range.

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09-27-2023 , 12:55 PM

madchens123

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Hm. If we jam are we basically hoping to get called by TT/99 here? Or are we expecting V to call things like AK/AQ/KQ?

The x/r size is pretty big.

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09-27-2023 , 01:01 PM

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OP I am interested in results here.

I jam too, it's very unlikely he has AA-QQ imo

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09-27-2023 , 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

I'm surprised you aren't seeing AA, but QQ doesn't make much sense for them to just flat.

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09-27-2023 , 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Franchise804

I'm surprised you aren't seeing AA, but QQ doesn't make much sense for them to just flat.

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Fish are scared to go multi way with AA because it "might get cracked." They assume correctly that the PFR is going to call the 3bet more often when they cold call.

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09-27-2023 , 03:42 PM

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invet

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I called, K ott, he jams I called again, he showed 88. The reason I called OTF is because I got greedy. I thought "Well... I am going to go all in in this hand, but if I jam OTF, there is a possibility that I will get called by sets or better and maybe he will fold some of the weaker hands. If I call and then wait for him to jam OTT, I still get to keep his bluffs in the hand". I know that it sounds weird, but I wanted his whole stack. I know that is was so small chance of him folding OTF, but still...

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09-27-2023 , 04:20 PM

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AskZandar

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Fish are scared to go multi way with AA because it "might get cracked." They assume correctly that the PFR is going to call the 3bet more often when they cold call.

They also don't have to be afraid that someone else has AA.

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09-28-2023 , 03:37 AM

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slyless

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

No, this range is not from H2N.
Just assumed a worst-case scenario range to get a "safety margin" solution.
So I added these hands at 15% weight.

I did research on cold calls of 3bet fish:

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09-28-2023 , 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by slyless

No, this range is not from H2N.
Just assumed a worst-case scenario range to get a "safety margin" solution.
So I added these hands at 15% weight.

I did research on cold calls of 3bet fish:

Sweet thanks for the data.

I'm just curious but what is your definition of fish in Hand2note filters wrt to VPIP/PFR.

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09-28-2023 , 10:00 AM

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This board kind of reminds me of a bomb pot board now that I think about it. I did study bomb pots in depth for about a month when I played on ACR and the worst boards to try and bluff were paired boards. Because of how wide everyone was preflop they ended up having a higher concentration of trips than a normal range in a SRP.

The Fish will have 4x way more often than he should here after he XR's according to the ranges slyless provided. I'm not folding but this board isn't nearly as good as it looks.

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09-28-2023 , 11:24 AM

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GMjunior

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Type good luck in the chat. Tank for exactly 17 seconds and min-click it

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09-29-2023 , 02:51 AM

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slyless

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Sweet thanks for the data.

I'm just curious but what is your definition of fish in Hand2note filters wrt to VPIP/PFR.

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10-04-2023 , 02:59 PM

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benjijojima

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Originally Posted by madchens123

Hm. If we jam are we basically hoping to get called by TT/99 here? Or are we expecting V to call things like AK/AQ/KQ?

The x/r size is pretty big.

We’re pot committed with a call. A raise here from BB could be a weaker overpair and it might be QQ. Even if it is QQ they don’t want to see a jam after a 3 bet preflop. QQ would likely call you off but your fold equity isn’t 0 depending on your image. Premium no pairs we don’t mind a fold because we don’t like a lot of turns and rivers if that’s the case.

Sometimes we’re just running into 88 here but if they want to fast play their boat its losing them value when we cbet our AJs AQ and AK.

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