Live 10/20 NL, 9 handed, no history vs villain 1, played w him for 1 hr prior to this hand at this table - he played pretty TAG and showed down only strong hands -- as did I.

Villian 2 is a solid tag reg.

My image is solid/tag at the table.

V1 - 6000
V2 - 5000
Hero - 8000

We're doing a mandatory UTG straddle for past 1 hour of $40.

EP fish/passive player limps. V2 opens in MP to 160. V1 calls. I 3b to 660 with KK (red) from Button.

V2 folds and V1 thinks and calls.

Flop: 9s 6s 4h

V1 checks and calls my $700 flop bet.

Turn: 3d. We both check. ( thoughts on turn play ?)

River: Ad.

V1 leads for 1260.

Hero call / fold ?

Call. His value range otr is pretty slim A3ss, A4ss, sets. Also you don't block Kxss, which is nice. He could also have some 78s etc. perhaps.

Not a fan of the turn check. As played call and berate since he should be checking his strong hands to you here every time.

Calling here is bad. Hes repping two pair, plus the way you played it (horrible check turn) it looks like that Ace here helped you. Hes pretty much trying to get value out of AQ-AK with his Axs here.

Fold river as played.

If you think about it , how often is he bluffing a spade on the river ,imo very often. Remember that you also have some suited connectors and flush draws that connected with this board so you too can have a flush draw. Sometimes him checking here so allow you to bluff those missed draws otr is standard with an ace x. Sure he has a bluffing range in this spot ,its gonna be mostly spades and some 5s and 10’sx to reep that 78s. As played its a fold. People dont bet fold the river with ace x, and they dont do it vs tags who can also show up with nut hands. Does this sway his range for value more? Yes it does and if he was bluffing ,shake that mans hand and play him until you die.

Read your location and i got a lol out of it.

LOL.

Villains value range here is strong ace x+ (very rare that he has 2 pair, unless he's tilting i wouldnt put him on it). Villain is trying to get value out of perceived worse ace x or worse 9 x. i agree that this river is a fold.

He calls oop but your 4x raise has a slightly weaker range since you got the button. Anyway, KK is a monster in a straddled pot. Ace is absolutely in his range and also makes sense hes not folding AK/AQ to your cbet. Pot controlling the turn can cost you money in this situation and since it is a 3betted pot I would have smashed the turn. Betting the turn also can allow you to checkbehind an aced river, if he donkbets the river its a pretty safe fold. The only move that breaks you is checkraising you on the turn, could be a flush/straight draw-semibluff or a set.

Im fine with the turn check but only with the intention to call a river bet. The ace sucks on the river but I still call.

If villain is a solid TAG, I wouldn't expect him to be calling a 3 bet preflop with just an ace unless it was something like AsQs, but if thats what he had I would expect some fire works on that flop. I think you are good here enough to call.

i don't really like the turn check. I think betting here for value is mandatory and I also think most villains will play very straightforwardly vs you on the turn in this spot.

as played, river is a great card for your range, especially given the way you played the hand, so villain is going to be betting for value here way more often than bluffing. i fold.

1. kk is monster in any pot
2. he almost never has AK in this spot, obviously. he should fold all aces except AsXs or A9 (if that's in his range) to the cbet.
3. so if we 2k the turn and V leads out on the river you think we should fold to his 2.6k all in when pot is 7.3k?

turn checkback is just giving away loads of value, and can only be ok if V is not actually TAG but gets to turn with hands like Th7h or other random suited gutshots he will have to bluff with otr. even if that is the case, you lose so much value from 77 88 TT JJ and draws by checking back.

as played, you have to call for reasons explained by shortfuse and AAismyfriend

bet turn.

as played fold riv. nobody is bluffing in this spot in 2016.

I think whoever is recomending to bet the turn is very results oriented. You definetely want to pot control here since only the A is a bad card otr.

This board is very good for a x/r ott and donking any river card and you'll be in a very difficul spot unecessary. You have KK in position in an already big pot. Dont need to be over greedy here.

As played, I fold to a half pot bet highly skewed towards value.
I would call a polarized pot bet bomb

lol so sick how this ran out for you, literally the nut worst card on the river comes for you. this is a fold for me, i don't think he turns his hands into a bluff on this rive. Don't forget this ace also hits our range , people don't usually do suicide bluffs in these spots + you said he's showdown strong hands. I can't see calling being profitable.

I really don't like the turn check. Why did you do it? What was your plan? What did you think villain would think of a check?

Fold river. You have Ax just as often which is what makes this bet so scary to me.

Raising would be pretty sick.

turn check is clearly a mistake. pot control? doesn't make sense here.
must get value, especially if you're putting him on medium pair. he's not floating here with broadway cards based on your description... flush draw? he would have bet it on flop or turn.
A on the river is awful , clearly. this has to depend on your read. if you have him on a pocket pair that he's turning into a bluff, easy call. if you have him on unlikely flush draw that hit the A or Ax that got there with 2 pair, easy fold. neither is actually easy lol... all solved with a 3/4 pot bet on the turn

+1...you basically have a bluff catcher

I dont like a turn check here, you can get many worse hands that are calling flop/turn that will fold the river. As played, call.

Don't see any 2 pair combos in his range because you describe him as TAG. I think his value range is sets and Axss. I think the bluffs we beat are KQss, QJss, JTss. I fold.

I think you should be betting turn btw.

if you check the turn, even with the river its a close spot. folding river is ok too, but read dependent. is V capable of bluffing that river?

turn bet is probably not as optimal as others put it and may be result driven.

if V is capable of bluffing river and you are leaning towards a call, then V is capable of bluffing turn too with a xr so a check through is good.

but if v isnt capable of bluffing, he's not checking the turn if that card helped his hand as he ranges you on toppest pair on the river based on his river donk, so he would have likely just lead out turn instead of checking.

therefore, i'm thinking he's not bluffing the river and you should just fold the river.

/donkeylogic

i fold or rarely raise here but really depends on your turn checking range. I'd imagine your perceived range here is different then mine given how you played the hand so maybe you can call.

such a weird spot...the A hit your perceived range pretty hard, so even though he has some missed draw in this range otr he might not even bluff (as you said he was only showing down strong hands). i would fold and curse myself for not betting the turn

Given straddle, the effective stack is just 150bb.

I might just 1000 flop and jam turn. Be afraid of losing to set is just money-scared play. Pot control on the turn when we are ahead a lot is totally bad play.


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Easy river fold to a suited Ace

Turn check is fine if you can keep your range uncapped - would you check 2 pair + in this spot? If you can't than it could be bad - but I don't mind it for pot control since this hand can get out of control if we get raised on the turn and we won't like it.

V1 is playing his hand strange - over called $160 and than called your 3bet - pocket pair? AT+?

I'm probably calling river for the sole purpose of information and the fact that I could be correct here a small % of the time. I would really like to see what his pre flop cards are but I think we are beat a lot.


If you don't plan on playing much longer with this guy it's probably a fold.