So the optimal play is to b/f the turn in these cases with an over pair?

absolutely. when there's a chance to get value when many river cards can nullify that value, you go and get it. also it's pretty villain dependent but for the most part (because of lack of players who semi-bluff c/r draws on the turn) b/f will be the correct line on the turn.

If villain flats our bet on the turn, then how are we proceeding on different rivers?

Are we checking behind if:
- the flush comes in?
- the river is an overcard to our pair?
- the river completes more straight draws?

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I was relating more to general idea of this kind of situation, ie. overpair on the coordinated turn. For the matter of discussion, would you change your size bet if villain was OTB/CO and we OOP?
In this example, you're right that he's more likely to have pairs, but either way, he's playing quarter of the deck, so we shouldn't exclude 2 pair hands of his range.
I agree we should get rid of weak-tight tendencies and try to get maximum value whenever it's possible, but here hand like 88/TT is more likely to pay you off ~4$ (rather than, for instance, 5$) and you lose less when c/r'ed. Paradoxically, I think it just makes a bigger profit in the long run.

Leak Finder, Part 3

This part starts getting at playing from the blinds - examining frequencies and such. I will get into specific ranges, etc in a later post.



The last part of Gsicilano's game that I wanted to highlight was his play vs. a steal. Namely his positional stats vs. a CO, BTN, and SB open. I'll compare those to my stats (which I don't think are perfect, and will also offer some thoughts on).

Vs. CO Open:

Gsicilano:



Verneer:



Thoughts: It's clear that both of us need to open up our ranges from the BTN vs. a CO steal - especially Gsicilano. People are opening fairly wide from the CO, so to only 3-bet them with 4% of hands is burning money. This should be a big area of your game where you should look for profit.

He should also look to open up from the BB - folding 90% of hands to a CO steal from BB is too much - especially at the micros where people won't make your life really difficult post flop. I should take some of my own advice and look to play around 15-20% of hands on the BTN and around 15% of hands from the BB. 10-12% of hands from the SB seems good.

Vs. BTN Open:

Gsicilano:



Verneer:



Thoughts: Seems ok, but I would like to see myself play around 20% of hands from the BB vs. a BTN open. Same with Gsicilano. The 3-betting % if about right for these limits. Stick with 3-betting a polarized range vs. people who fold a lot of their BTN steals (65% or more).

Vs. SB Steal:

Gsicilano:



Verneer:



Thoughts: This is definitely an area where Gsicilano is bleeding money by not playing enough hands. It's cheap and you are IP post flop. This total should go up to around 30% - pretty much anything playable. I should be 3-betting more - closer to 11-12%, so that part he's got down.

Finally, I included some postflop stats. Gsicilano raises 32% of c-bets and calls about the same, so his default when facing a c-bet is to raise. I examined the specific hands where he raised a c-bet and for the most part they were ok. There was only one that I didn't really like:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5309094

Either raise/call or don't raise this flop. I prefer flatting and seeing a turn. This seems like an outlier in the range of hands I examined. Still, the big thing to work on here is to play more hands vs. a SB steal for the reasons I mentioned above.

Conclusion:

These three leak-finder posts were major areas where I felt Gsicilano was bleeding major money. I hope you were able to run the same filters that I ran and leak-find your own game. I also hope that it will make you a more aware and in-tune player when you hit the tables next time.

Superb ^

Can't seem to construct some of the above in PT3. Only have options for facing steals in BB and SB (3bet, called, folded) and facing different types of raises. Is it possible to filter down to raises from button or CO with PT3?

I know you use HM Verneer, is this one of the reasons why?

Stacka, why no more Avon???

Can't find it either. I don't think we can select the position of our opponent, just our own...

Hey Verneer, thanks for the great thread. If there was a map of 2+2 this is where the big red treasure-cross would be.

I do have a question though. About the c-betting, do you suggest always using 1/2 PSB when you missed the flop? Or is that situational? If so, what kind of situations would be perfect?

By the way, are you planning on writing something about 2nd barreling? It's a concept I have a lot of trouble with and it seems like i'm not the only one(Gsicilano).

Exactly. It's super functional and the best spent money for your poker growth. Just do it.

Definitely situational. A situation where it's perfect if you have a fit/fold player who calls if he has a piece of the flop and folds when he doesn't. You miss the flop - why bet more than you have to to take it down?

Thank you, sounds pretty obvious now.

How do you get the lines so close to each other? If I use 6 lines, my hud gets super tall (vertical)

Hey Stackajawea, could you explain to me what having a plan really refers to? I hear these words often but am not sure what it really implies..

I mean, when your hand is most likely the best your plan is to just bet for value but I don't really get what else there is?

Loved the leak busters posts, keep up the great work.

I did have a question though. I have also been a losing player over a good sample size at 5nl and 10nl since i started playing last september, but unlike the previous posts my redline is more or less horizontal and my blueline dives down deep into the earth.



I also know that I have been on prolonged tilt after running 30 buy ins under ev a month or two ago, so there is about 10k that I played exceptionally bad, but I still am bleeding money left, right and center and am having trouble finding the cause.

Well, it's impossible to tell you how to fix your game without seeing your stats and perhaps this thread is not the place for it, but I'll note a few things there:

1) Red line being even is not a good thing if the blue one is sinking so hard. Green is all that should matter if you're a new player. Generally it looks like you should fold more and bluff less. Poker doesn't have to be difficult at the micro's. Play straightforward.

2) That's quite a solid sample over 7 months, you either play a lot or play too many tables. Play less tables if it's the latter, work on learning to play instead of playing if it's the first.

1) Dont make hero calls as often
2) Dont make hero bluffs as often
3) Play straight forward
4) Dont Tilt
5) PLay less tables

All excellent pieces of advice...I know because I had to learn them too.

just valuebet valuebet valuebet and setmine ftw, no need to bluff unless its a cbet
vpip/pfr/af?

I'd think it means knowing what you're going to do against villains possible actions (for example what you're gonna do if villain raises your bet vs if he just calls). And knowing what you're going to do depending on what type of card falls on the next street (for example which turn cards are you going to double barrel and which ones you'll check/fold).

Basically just planning what you're going to do ahead of time instead of just making spur of the moment decisions.

I posted my graph with all my stats in the stats thread:-

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...l#post17813462

Lately ive been playing about 18/14. I usually 3 or 4 table, so maybe taking more time out and watching more vids/posting more would be a good idea (i have a deuces cracked account I should probably use more.).

I also dont get the feeling that i am bluffing or barreling a lot (although I might be). Calling river bets is definetly a weakness though.

Question for those who took membership at CR to dwnl Varneer videos:

Is it worth it for 130$??

I am winning player at NL20 (10bb/100) but my game is 16/13 and I would like to be some more loose and I guess I could learn that by watching his videos but 130$ is pretty much.

Doesn't seem that you like to fold to 3-bets ...