Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 51545
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ibininlondon (UTG): $116.45
crz890a (CO): $91.80
OSULU (BTN): $68.85
Barbar ian 95 (SB): $60.85
Hero (BB): $67.55

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 9 9
2 folds, OSULU calls $0.50, Barbar ian 95 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, Barbar ian 95 calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.00) J J 8 (2 players)
Barbar ian 95 checks, Hero bets $3.75, Barbar ian 95 raises to $11, Hero calls $7.25

Turn: ($27.00) 4 (2 players)
Barbar ian 95 bets $18, Hero calls $18

River: ($63.00) T (2 players)
Barbar ian 95 bets $29.60 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $29.60

villian is multi tabling and i am owning him up to this point. no show downs but i have 3 bet him numerous times, and played v aggro in several pots and stole them from him. im such he thinks i am a thinking player who is a bit aggro and dece but im 100% he is getting fed up with me.


my intinial feel is that he has air and T9 type of hands a good bit here. he obv also has JT and **** like that. when the T hit on the river i was not very happy since i thought T9 was a solid chunk of his range. when he shoves tho i think i can eliminate that from his range since i doubt he turns a hand with some SD value into a straight bluff. so it looks like he has air or Jx here and i need him to have air 25% of the time to break even. u like a call?

its probably not too bad if you think you kinda got him tilted a little, but i just give him credit after he donks the turn... hes repping a very small range and should be less likely to bluff the turn unless hes pissed at you like you say

but then there are people who insta 2 barrel paired flops, so meh

I've tried to take these types of hero calls out of my game if I don't have a really solid read. It seems like you're just assuming he's on tilt/playing back because you've won a bunch of pots from him? Most of the time when I convince myself someone is just tilted/playing back because of my image despite them not having a super aggro history or showing down any bluffs, I get stacked. And I think this applies more to regulars than the fish, who do predictably go on tilt/play back.

Hmm not sure about the rivercall. Why should he suddenly expect you to fold getting 3-1 odds when the board hasnt changes significantly. Had I personally been the villian bluffing the flop and turn I would be giving up on this river the vast majority of the time.

Here if you are going to proceed after his turn bet I actually prefer sticking it in on the turn. Although you are not folding out any better, a lot of his bluffing range has a decent amount of outs against you like as you mentioned T9. As I said any competent player should have a low propensity to bluff this river so you are unlikely to miss too much value through doing this.

btw please say if my logic is flawed here because I often have problems in such spots myself

Fold flop.

The reasoning I put into this:

Many passive regulars just get spiteful when they've got a hand, rather than make wild bluffs.

I think most of his range is pairs, 88, J's. THe smaller part of his range is T9.

sure, some of his small pairs are going to get fiesty if he's well and truly fed up with you, but all he's seen from YOU is raw aggression. He's got no reason to think you CAN fold. It's quite possibly he's donking for value on the river expecting you to raise with air.

Fold this flop.

If you don't give him credit for a hand, then consider it an image builder. Next tiime he's going to assume you're bluffing, and you can wring loads of value out of him when he 2 barrels your monster hand, or TP. That's IF you fold here. YOu can RERAISE flop if you well and truly think he's bluffing, but I'd fully expect him to have a J or 88 when he reraises do NOT keep going because you're either WAY behind, or at the best 2:1 in the case of the straight draw.

I fold here and I do it knowing it will further the image I"m a bluffer, because he'll try to chase me out again, this time when I'm more sure of my hand and can widen his range to include more trash.

I strongly suspect he's got the J but if he doesn't you can fold for 2 reasons. First it'll cool his temper. Angry people are harder to predict and predictable play is profitable play. Second, he'll feel like he's got you pegged and will predictably try to bluff you, probably the next time he gets the chance. We don't know he's bluffing now and he's trying to stack you. But we will be more confident he's bluffing next time.

i think this is prolly the most interesting part of the hand. i would love to hear some other thoughts regarding this.

really really really looks like a J. what other hands are limping PF and playing like this.

maybe it's spewy but u save 60bb by folding river.

What are his stats?

The problem I see with including T9s or a J in his range is that most TAGs are going to be raising these holdings nearly 100% of the time PF.

Edit: nm, Didn't realize villains was in SB

What do you hope to beat?

I hate your thought process. "Most of his range is a hand like 9T. *Dealing river: T* Villain shoves -> He got there, but I'm going to call anyway." ???

I don't think you have enough evidence on your side to form a certain enough belief that he's going monkey tilt, but lets say he is on tilt even then we can't really say he's bluffing you here because tilt can take on many forms. Some start to play too tight, some play bluff sheriff, and some do go ape sh*t crazy.

If we haven't observed his tilt tendencies then we can't play bluff catcher and expect to show up with the best hand.

sorta thought about that but once i decide i think he is fos i think i have to stick with my instinct once i call the turn. basically i think if i call the turn to fold to a river shove i am burning money
i dont use a hud. so who knows.

if u read my OP u would have seen that i discuss that. i took T9 out of his range once we hit the river because why on earth would he shove the river after he adds some showdown value to his hand? doesnt make a lot of sense to me. so now after he shoves the river i think his range is exclusively Jx hands and air hands and since i am getting 3 to 1 i called because i thought he showed up with air here 25% of the time

Well for one, if I was a tilting ****** I'd shove 9T a fair bit.

Do you really think he has air 25% of the time here when he c/r's flop, bets turn and shoves river?

I don't mind this in principle.

His range is super polarized. I don't see why he'd raise a J on the flop so I think you were probably good till the river. That river isn't a particularly good card though, although being as though you have dem pocket nines it's less likely he was semi-bluffing with an open ender.

One thing that comes to mind is if you've been owning him by being the bulliee and staying agressive, it don't make sense if hes any good to just c/r on flop and fire all the way against and agroo opponent like u.. even if hes tilted. At least i don't play agroo regs like that, i go as far as the flop raise and consider the 2cond barrel, and i think most 50nl regs play it as far as that.. so on river i think ur crushed and i don't think ur very accurate on your range. On the other hand if hes holding a jack i would play it exactly the same as i would asume VILLAIN u in this case, would think ill be pplaying back out of tilt. I think u went to far on the river.

Shoving the turn is definitely a good idea given your beliefs about the situation. He has a draw/air/better hand than you. Most air has outs versus your hand, and a draw always does.

I fold flop though, the higher the gin card the more likely he is to have it.

this. thank you for writing this so i don't have to.

everytime I try and make a hero call I look like an idiot. most players on this level are just playing their cards man. I'd have to have a damn good read here.

why bet the flop, and why not check behind?

He's set up stacks nicely for a river shove if he has a hand and badly if he has a bluff imo.

Maybe he is just tilting but, if I am opponent I am definitely not expecting u to fold river here. Also it looks like you have an overpair or a J imo.

ok, i understand the fact u guys c-bet for value to rep soemthing like a J or Overcards...but when he check raise, i really dont think his doing it without a J, even if its a bluff its an overpair, but they would be stupid as he will get called by J only and his OOP. He will also do a check raise with a boat, which gives him a lot of strength, why would u call c/r on this flop, and he also donk flop...so unlikely its a bluff...ppl are suffering some some sort of FPS, lol.

After pounding on weak tight nits you would think they'd finally flip out and bluff their stack off to you but they almost always still just wait for the nut nuts.

This is how I used to play