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01-14-2010 , 08:14 AM
Messing about on the old 0.02/0.04 with $5 buyin and this hand came up. I've been thinking about it after and wondering whether this is a spot where i'm supposed to just check call as my hand has showdown value. Maybe it'd be more optimal to lead out on the river, only thing is I might get shoved on or whether once the button makes that raise i'm supposed to shove. Folding's obviously not an option.

Am I supposed to pick up on the small river bet and re-raise here?

I only have 65 hands on the button VPIP 40 PFR 1.54 3bet 8.57
64 hands on CO VPIP 28.13 PFR 23.44 3bet 10.53

so not much info to go on.

Party Poker $5 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $5.51
CO: $6.31
BTN: $3.32
SB: $4.60
BB: $14.03
Hero (UTG): $5.36

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is UTG with 6 Q
Hero raises to $0.12, 1 fold, CO calls $0.12, BTN raises to $0.20, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.08, CO calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.66) J 6 J (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.66) 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.40, CO calls $0.40, BTN raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.40, CO calls $0.40

River: ($3.06) 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.75, Hero ?

Bit of a weird hand really considering the min raise 3 bet pre-flop by button and then checking the flop round.

Appreciate any thoughts/opinions.
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01-14-2010 , 08:15 AM
Why did you raise preflop?
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01-14-2010 , 08:26 AM
Fold pre.
Fold turn.
Shove river.
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01-14-2010 , 08:27 AM
im caught between calling and raising.

i dont like btn miniraise on turn, and that co has come along as is left to act.

i would prefer a bet of $2 on the river instead of a check.

im b/c and punching the keyboard if i see a j8
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01-14-2010 , 08:29 AM
I like a river donkbet, actually. Considering how fast these players get scared for no reason and how they are terrible value betters (bettors?).
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01-14-2010 , 08:29 AM
Fold pre. As played shove the river.
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01-14-2010 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Simonlal
Why did you raise preflop?
Because I like to try establish a LAG image on the table and people fold pretty easily. Also it's suited obv
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01-14-2010 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RomforFD
im caught between calling and raising.

i dont like btn miniraise on turn, and that co has come along as is left to act.

i would prefer a bet of $2 on the river instead of a check.

im b/c and punching the keyboard if i see a j8
The issue with the hand is the fact it got checked round on the flop. You'd generally expect a J to be betting the flop to build the pot. It's a pretty dry board I admit but i'd have expected someone with a J to be betting the flop. When turn hits and i'm getting raised it's a bit confusing. It's possible they have 88 and if they filled up on turn. If they had J8 i'd have expected them to have bet flop when they hit trips.

I checked river because I felt btn would fire again, the only thing is I was thinking "what do I hope to get called by if I raise?" I'd like to get called by a J obviously, but are their lines checking flop round in line with a J and is it possible I run into a full house here more times than I beat weaker hands that would call my re-raise/all in?

What's b/c btw?
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01-14-2010 , 10:34 AM
b/c is because
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01-14-2010 , 10:47 AM
ok, thanks.

Is my logic incorrect in thinking if they had a J they would have bet flop? I guess it's plausible CO could have Jx and was aiming for a check-raise on flop, but then he'd have bet turn. Checking the flop round would be really weak if they had nothing and i'd expect a c-bet even if they completely missed, or alternatively they flopped a monster like quads or a boat and are trying to let us catch up as it's a pretty dry board.
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01-14-2010 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by EATITPAL
Fold pre.
Fold turn.
Shove river.
word

Quote:
Originally Posted by Masq
Because I like to try establish a LAG image on the table and people fold pretty easily. Also it's suited obv
it being suited is not reason enough. I dont even raise ATs in that position. Also you dont have to do much image working for people at these stakes to pay you off
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01-14-2010 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Chillypill
it being suited is not reason enough. I dont even raise ATs in that position. Also you dont have to do much image working for people at these stakes to pay you off
So you would muck ATs from that position? I'm not a fan of AT/AJ really if i'm OOP and there's raises but i'm not one to just fold it from UTG. I've been doing ok so far, but need to put some more volume in.
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01-14-2010 , 11:19 AM
Everything is table dependent but Q6s is a definite fold. You're OOP if you get called, and can't stand a 3bet. First to act makes your hand exponentially difficult to play as opposed to the BTN.
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01-14-2010 , 11:23 AM
Yeah, that's true - it was just one of those hands I wanted to play, I normally stick to playing in position. Results time or leave it for a bit?

Last edited by Masq; 01-14-2010 at 11:29 AM.
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01-14-2010 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by hawaiiloans
Fold pre. As played shove the river.
quote for truth
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01-14-2010 , 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EATITPAL
Fold pre.
Fold turn.
Shove river.
all that needs to be said. +1
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01-14-2010 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Masq
Yeah, that's true - it was just one of those hands I wanted to play, I normally stick to playing in position. Results time or leave it for a bit?
Truthfully we don't really care about the results. If it's a cooler it's a cooler. You got to that cooler by playing the hand poorly on every street up to the river. If you won the hand- you really lost money even if you won the hand. DUCY?
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01-14-2010 , 12:42 PM
Ok, I won't bother with the results - just thought people are interested if they contributed. I personally don't think there's a lot wrong with the hand selection due to table + my playing style, but neither am I going to argue it. I've been doing something right up to now, so i'll continue if it's working here. As for the river, not sure - hence the thread.

Thanks for the opinions though.
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03-16-2010 , 12:30 AM
Results?
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03-16-2010 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Skux
Results?
Results?
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03-16-2010 , 05:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EATITPAL
Fold pre.
Fold turn.
Shove river.
Yes. Especially with villains 60BB stack.
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