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Working on hero spew factor hard (kts that dont have to do anything) Working on hero spew factor hard (kts that dont have to do anything)

06-18-2021 , 07:43 AM
Villain is aggressive unk, who run with around 20% 3bet on around 150 hands sample and look regish, so fold pre is not an option

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $25.00 (100 bb)
MP: $42.01 (168 bb)
CO (Hero): $48.10 (192 bb)
BU: $32.61 (130 bb)
SB: $31.01 (124 bb)
BB: $28.99 (116 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with T K
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, SB 3-bets to $4, 2 players fold, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($8.50) 5 2 A (2 players)
SB bets $4.06, Hero calls $4.06

Turn: ($16.62) T (2 players)
SB bets $7.94, Hero raises to $40.04 (all-in)

Questions are:
1. is flop float too lite
2. Is it profitable to play like this any value hand?
3. what is your minimum calling hand as villain
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06-18-2021 , 07:52 AM
Just fold pre
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06-18-2021 , 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by aner0
Just fold pre
So... 4betting>calling?
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06-18-2021 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramius
So... 4betting>calling?
yeh
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06-18-2021 , 08:13 AM
Disclaimer: I am a live player playing micros for the first time in years to work on my game so my analysis my be kind of basic.

I don’t mind calling 3b with hands like KT against players that 3b a lot because we can have a better hand a lot of the times. You should have a wider than normal 4b range against this villain but not sure kT would be in mine.

As played, what is the purpose of jamming that turn? You effectively turned your hand, which had some value now, into a bluff and are going to fold out all of his hands that you have beat but I’m not sure what hands that are better than yours will fold. We are getting called by almost any ace, which he will have a high percentage of the time and probably jj-kk. Maybe he folds 45 or mid pairs but you want value from those hands. Jamming seems like you are losing value and just shrinking his range to call you with hands that beat you.

I would call turn and hope to call a smallish bet on river that will include some three barrels or missed straights with suited connectors. If the river is checked you can value bet to get calls from worse tens and mid pairs.
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06-18-2021 , 08:15 AM
We have no idea if he 3b a lot
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06-18-2021 , 08:37 AM
close pre, im dont think its horrendous to take flop in position. said that, hes not 3betting your open range but your iso range, if he isnt a drooler hes not getting out of line much here.
AP i dont know if floating flop is great for villains sizing
AP jamming turn seems lunacy - what do you see as your range here? like, i do keep AKo combos in my range here but they arent necessarily jamming turn, theres literally no rivers im folding and can easily jam myself if villain checks river with a reasonable spr.
in your observations of similar situations at 25nl (or even more standard open/SB 3bet spots), how often is villain cbet Axx flop and barrel turn with bluffs? not enough im almost certain is the answer. turn is a blunder imo.
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06-18-2021 , 08:42 AM
i was trying to find bluffs on turn, just not sure i need any... Is this a turn we dont have raising range? if i m calling this pre with 33/44 i m calling turn too to jam against river check, like this kt or any BDFD that turned pair?
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06-18-2021 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramius
i was trying to find bluffs on turn, just not sure i need any... Is this a turn we dont have raising range? if i m calling this pre with 33/44 i m calling turn too to jam against river check, like this kt or any BDFD that turned pair?
I wouldn't worry about trying to find bluffs in spots where your value range is so narrow.
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06-18-2021 , 01:34 PM
I think the preflop call can go either way. IMHO the 3! is pretty strong though OOP, coming from the SB (needs to get through BB) and into two players who have put money into the pot. If SB had 3! into just Hero I would call but into two players I would probably fold here even though our limper folded.

I cant call flop here though. A hits SB 3! range hard. You have a BDFD and that's it so IMHO insufficient equity to continue.

I dont like the turn jam. V 3! pre into 2 players OOP, cbet flop and then bet turn. That is strong. If he doesnt have Ax then KK, QQ, JJ are all in range.

What part of his range do you think is ahead of you but folding to a jam?
Surely you dont want to jam to fold out weaker hands here?
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06-18-2021 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dgkula
I think the preflop call can go either way. IMHO the 3! is pretty strong though OOP, coming from the SB (needs to get through BB) and into two players who have put money into the pot. If SB had 3! into just Hero I would call but into two players I would probably fold here even though our limper folded.

I cant call flop here though. A hits SB 3! range hard. You have a BDFD and that's it so IMHO insufficient equity to continue.

I dont like the turn jam. V 3! pre into 2 players OOP, cbet flop and then bet turn. That is strong. If he doesnt have Ax then KK, QQ, JJ are all in range.

What part of his range do you think is ahead of you but folding to a jam?
Surely you dont want to jam to fold out weaker hands here?
Almost agree here. The 3bet call is okay per my charts.

However, we can fold flop. As played on turn, if villain has KK or QQ, they are probably not calling a jam (though some might). Basically, you are turning hand into bluff. We called pre gto, but switched from gto once the flop hit.
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06-18-2021 , 06:26 PM
Fold pre. Villain knows you’re isolating a limper and will be tighter in turn.
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06-18-2021 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnRusty
Fold pre. Villain knows you’re isolating a limper and will be tighter in turn.
Depends what kind of donkey limper is, if donkey is tight then it's more "dead money" in pot
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06-20-2021 , 09:13 AM
Call pre ok IMO but just fold flop
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06-20-2021 , 01:39 PM
Villain had ajo and snapped me
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06-20-2021 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by aner0
Just fold pre
Because of rake?

I would call pre with some combos of KTs--clubs and diamonds for me--and fold others--hearts and spades--just for board coverage.

Raise flop small because of our nut advantage, TPTK blocker and backdoor draws.

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06-21-2021 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramius
Villain had ajo and snapped me
justifies not folding pre at least. iffy from villain
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06-21-2021 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by PROPOSITION_JOE
justifies not folding pre at least. iffy from villain
one of hands he would (hopefully) fold to 4bet, but 4betting to 8.x$ is ankward too
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06-21-2021 , 09:54 AM
u can easily fold pre and call like 30-40% of the time, theres also a fish in the hand he shouldnt 3 bet too crazy since fish will defend some hands also so u dont have to call like crazy plus the 3 bet is big since u iso.

flop i dont mind the call since he bet v small, turn 10 u have to call vs his smaller bet, if u call i preffer shove on the river turning ur hand into a bluff when he checks which is how u should bluff on this board, im sure it makes sense to u also, basicly u call turn and have some outs so when he checks river u have a much higher success bluff since he can easily have give up hands kk qq or some aj a3 hands that kinda have to fold when u shove river.
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06-21-2021 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Itachi1234
he checks river u have a much higher success bluff since he can easily have give up hands kk qq or some aj a3 hands that kinda have to fold when u shove river.
Not sure barreling underpairs on turn to check fold river is std
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06-21-2021 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramius
Not sure barreling underpairs on turn to check fold river is std
No, its irelevant anyway, u still have a nice bluff on river with this combo when he checks and if he bets easy fold
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06-21-2021 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Itachi1234
No, its irelevant anyway, u still have a nice bluff on river with this combo when he checks and if he bets easy fold
Not sure it's easy fold on river when he bets either, he can ghave qj, kj, kq type of hands that have go for triple, in general considering all this, i think that check folding flop was best, you need "control of opponent" to play so lite profitably
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