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where should fold here? where should fold here?

02-15-2018 , 03:45 PM
Villain is reg vpip 11 pfr 10 3bet 2 after 220 hands

Should I just give up preflop, especially since villain's 3bet appears so small ?

If not then do I fold the flop shove?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 124.6 BB
BB: 165.6 BB
UTG: 48.2 BB
UTG+1: 136.6 BB
Hero (MP): 101.2 BB
MP+1: 100 BB
CO: 153.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q A

UTG raises to 3 BB, UTG+1 calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 11 BB, MP+1 raises to 28.6 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 17.6 BB

Flop: (64.6 BB, 2 players) 9 T Q
Hero checks, MP+1 bets 68.2 BB, Hero calls 68.2 BB

Turn: (201 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 4.4 BB and is all-in, MP+1 calls 3.2 BB and is all-in

River: (207.4 BB, 2 players) 7

Spoiler:
Hero shows Q A (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 32%, Flop 19%, Turn 11%)
MP+1 shows K K (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 68%, Flop 81%, Turn 89%)
MP+1 wins 198.8 BB
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02-15-2018 , 03:53 PM
This guy seems very nitty and he just cold 4bet an UTG open, UTG+1 call and then a 3rd seat 3bet. I'm snap folding this preflop.
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02-15-2018 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dynamite2006
This guy seems very nitty and he just cold 4bet an UTG open, UTG+1 call and then a 3rd seat 3bet. I'm snap folding this preflop.
thanks. I don't think I even looked at the 3bet stat before deciding to call tbh
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02-15-2018 , 04:05 PM
You are 3bettor, the V 4b. And fold pre to the 4b.
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02-15-2018 , 04:26 PM
Folding pre against this guy. You'r getting good price but you'r oop and won't able to get away from TPTK when you connect and villain has [AA/KK]. Post flop is just a good example of the sort of tricky spot we're gona be when we flat pre. You know your 2nd best a lot when villain bets otf but feel like you can't fold as you'v connected so strongly.

Maybe villain is just c-betting most of his range when you check but the sizing is a big giveaway that it's value. Flatting is probably correct here against some opponents but we can should be using the info available and this guy looks nitty so probably not 3 betting less than JJs/AKo and probably doesn't take this line post flop with those hands.
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02-15-2018 , 05:57 PM
just cold call pre

fold to cold 4b as played
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02-15-2018 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
You are 3bettor, the V 4b. And fold pre to the 4b.
I realise I am the 3bettor but with the small sample size that we have, I think that the 3bet stat, especially in conjunction with vpip and pfr here functions sufficiently well in regards to giving us an approximation of how tight or loosely V plays his 4bets. I agree now that taking this into consideration the correct play is to fold pre.
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02-15-2018 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkytheFish
Folding pre against this guy. You'r getting good price but you'r oop and won't able to get away from TPTK when you connect and villain has [AA/KK]. Post flop is just a good example of the sort of tricky spot we're gona be when we flat pre. You know your 2nd best a lot when villain bets otf but feel like you can't fold as you'v connected so strongly.

Maybe villain is just c-betting most of his range when you check but the sizing is a big giveaway that it's value. Flatting is probably correct here against some opponents but we can should be using the info available and this guy looks nitty so probably not 3 betting less than JJs/AKo and probably doesn't take this line post flop with those hands.
all makes sense. sound advice, thanks you
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02-16-2018 , 06:15 AM
Id flat pre and never calling the 4bet.
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02-16-2018 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerbetts
I realise I am the 3bettor but with the small sample size that we have, I think that the 3bet stat, especially in conjunction with vpip and pfr here functions sufficiently well in regards to giving us an approximation of how tight or loosely V plays his 4bets. I agree now that taking this into consideration the correct play is to fold pre.
I see, didn't seem you were aware at first.

Just an FYI, full ring games do have their own sub forum. The fact this is a FRG generally makes preflop 3b/4b ranges even tighter.
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02-16-2018 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerbetts
I agree now that taking this into consideration the correct play is to fold pre.
Just realizing you're playing full ring, what position you're 3-betting in, and that villain isn't a maniac says that this is an easy fold. 3-bet/4-bet stats not needed.
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02-16-2018 , 01:01 PM
I'm fine with the squeeze PF, but this seems like a pretty easy fold to the 4-bet. Villain probably isn't 3-betting bluffs which makes it really unlikely that he ever 4-bets anything other than KK+. Or some similar super tight, super nutted range.

Flop call doesn't make sense against this guy.
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02-17-2018 , 03:26 PM
I am migrating over to full ring, didn't realise this was 6 max. I do hope some of you guys comment over there too!!!

Pretty sure this hand is solved (at least as far as folding to the preflop 4 bet is concerned)

Thanks for all your advice and comments
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02-17-2018 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerbetts
Pretty sure this hand is solved (at least as far as folding to the preflop 4 bet is concerned)
Well postflop is easy. You can't fold tptk on the flop with an spr of one.
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02-19-2018 , 10:19 AM
really only taking this line if i'm playing against a good regular, average 5nl population is just never calling with worse here.
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02-19-2018 , 02:31 PM
yeah i think we can fold pre here safely... this is coin flip at best and well... it wasn't "at best" in this one
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