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Old 04-04-2021, 04:58 PM   #1
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($33.17)
HJ ($39.04)
CO ($29.01)
BTN ($40.38)
SB ($26.02)
BB ($12.08)

Dealt to Hero: X X

HERO Raises To $0.55, HJ Raises To $1.85, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Raises To $5.40, HJ Calls $3.55

Hero SPR on Flop: [2.49 effective]
Flop ($11.15): J 8 6
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $4.80 (Rem. Stack: $28.84), HERO Raises To $27.77 (allin), HJ ?
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Old 04-04-2021, 05:16 PM   #2
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Re: What's the worst hand you call here as HJ

AJs?

Wouldn't bet flop that big tho so idk
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Old 04-04-2021, 05:39 PM   #3
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Re: What's the worst hand you call here as HJ

pretty sure you have to run it with some overcard type hands like AK bdfd, not sure its wise to do so vs pop though
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Old 04-04-2021, 06:20 PM   #4
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Re: What's the worst hand you call here as HJ

I would fold almost everything tbh
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Old 04-04-2021, 07:09 PM   #5
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I would fold almost everything tbh
Pretty much how I was thinking in game. Although this 15 second shot clock makes me rush sometimes.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($33.17)
HJ ($39.04)
CO ($29.01)
BTN ($40.38)
SB ($26.02)
BB ($12.08)

Dealt to Hero: A 5

HERO Raises To $0.55, HJ Raises To $1.85, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Raises To $5.40, HJ Calls $3.55

Hero SPR on Flop: [2.49 effective]
Flop ($11.15): J 8 6
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $4.80 (Rem. Stack: $28.84), HERO Raises To $27.77 (allin), HJ Calls $22.97 (Rem. Stack: $5.87)

Turn ($66.69): J 8 6 5

River ($66.69): J 8 6 5 Q

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Old 04-04-2021, 07:37 PM   #6
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Re: What's the worst hand you call here as HJ

I wouldn't expect "other" people to fold...

Also you should note that your 4b success in this spot (i.e. they fold) is legit like 20% or something really low and definitely very low at 25z--- pretty big punt both pre and post.
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Old 04-04-2021, 08:57 PM   #7
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I wouldn't expect "other" people to fold...

Also you should note that your 4b success in this spot (i.e. they fold) is legit like 20% or something really low and definitely very low at 25z--- pretty big punt both pre and post.
So you just 4bet for value here then preflop? I know preflop is not a punt in theory but maybe it is if they just never fold.
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Old 04-04-2021, 09:45 PM   #8
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Holy massive punt. This is horrendous.
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Old 04-04-2021, 09:57 PM   #9
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Holy massive punt. This is horrendous.
100%.

Between your advice in the other thread and this punt. We should start coaching.
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Old 04-04-2021, 10:04 PM   #10
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Re: What's the worst hand you call here as HJ

I was going to say, what bluffs do you have here? AK, maybe an A5s? Guess I was right. I think AJs would be at the very bottom of my calling range. Villain knows you prob don't have 88 or 66, so if you're bluffing both AK and A5s, you're way over-bluffing. (That's 20 bluffs (otf) compared to 3 sets and 18 overpairs.) Imo

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Old 04-04-2021, 10:05 PM   #11
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I was going to say, what bluffs do you have here? AK, maybe an A5s? Guess I was right. I think AJs would be at the very bottom. Villain knows you prob don't have 88 or 66, so if you're bluffing both AK and A5s, you're way over-bluffing. (That's 20 bluffs compared to 3 sets and 18 overpairs.) Imo
Yeah I don't like my bluff here. I should of used A5ss/A5dd in retrospect.

I love this line for value though
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Old 04-04-2021, 10:17 PM   #12
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Yeah I don't like my bluff here. I should of used A5ss/A5dd in retrospect.

I love this line for value though
That's the ugly thing about 4bet pots. You have very few bluff choices as the 4bettor and they're almost all bad. A5s, maybe some AK, KQs are your only choices. I'd say maybe the bdfds, like you mentioned.

Edit: I think i might've bet small otf. After calling, villain's most likely hand is AKo if he's mixing. If not, probably AQs. He should be able to throw those away. Who knows, though. 4bet pots are so rare, it's hard to know what villains will do when they call.

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Old 04-05-2021, 04:09 AM   #13
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AJs?

Wouldn't bet flop that big tho so idk
I agree, maybe QQ
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Old 04-05-2021, 04:52 AM   #14
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You should almost never shove A high here as a bluff, you run against AJ and jacks/QQ's and proapbly aces if they notice you do those kind of plays (I would slowplay aa 100% of time) also good players dont fold good hands ip and propably not 3bet crap hj vs utg even if they think UTG is fish, just becouse those behind can make life difficult
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Old 04-05-2021, 05:39 AM   #15
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Nice line for value. I often take this line against bad regs and get snapped off with any pair.
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Old 04-05-2021, 07:12 AM   #16
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Nice line for value. I often take this line against bad regs and get snapped off with any pair.
They should be calling any pair in GTO
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Old 04-05-2021, 07:30 AM   #17
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bf a pair at that spr would be pretty disastrous
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Old 04-05-2021, 07:50 AM   #18
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Re: What's the worst hand you call here as HJ

I don't if you'd have AQo at some frequency here, but if you do, it seems to me like your best bluff. I think the key here is to maximise your blockers vs a calling range for villain. QQ is a potential pf call some of the time, for some villains, so the Q is nice. Then, all the Jx villain can have, which would be AJs, maybe KJs. I think here you don't want the Ah, like you said. Plus, the advantage of AQ here is you're drawing less thin if called than with A5s. You could use AK as well, particularly if you block combos of KJs as well as AJs.

As other have mentioned, you should have 21 value combos without any AJ in your pf range. I reckon you want roughly 10-11 bluff combos, more if AJ is in range and taking this flop line.

I think you'd have 9 combos of AQo which block AJs, 6 that block both AJs and QJs (it might be there at a small freq). If you do the same with those combos of AKo, that would be 12. I guess you could also chuck in AcKc too, as it has no bdfd. If you have AJ in range, I'd add in some suited AK with bdfd (not hearts though) as well as some of those AQo and AKo which block the AJs (but not KJs/QJs). And the I'd add in some of the small suited aces, particularly A5s and A4s no heart. This is assuming all those hands are in range 100% of the time, which they probably aren't.

However, I think in this hand having the A blocker is key. JJ is possible, but you can't block it without having a value hand, and QQ wouldn't take this line all the time pf. I think the key here, and in many similar situations, is picking heuristics which will help you choose the appropriate bluffing frequency. I feel like villain can realistically have 3 combos of JJ, 3 of AJs and let's say 3 of QQ (jamming the others pre) and 1 of 88 (folding the rest pre), so any blocker you have is great.
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Old 04-05-2021, 08:02 AM   #19
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So you just 4bet for value here then preflop? I know preflop is not a punt in theory but maybe it is if they just never fold.
Look at your stats/pop stats.
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