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With what are THEY check-raising?

View Poll Results: How often is your TPTK beat?

(a) 0-60%

9 45.00%

(b) 60-85%

7 35.00%

4 20.00%

(d) 95%+

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04-24-2008 , 02:28 PM

jogsxyz

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Blinds are 1/2.
Hero opens for 6 chips.
All fold to BB who calls. Pot is 13 chips.

Hero: A:s: T:s:
Flop: T:h: 8:d: 3:h:

BB checks. Hero bets 8 chips. BB C/R to 30 chips.
It costs 22 chips to call a pot with 51 chips.

With what is BB check-raising?
What are the chances our Hero is beat?

(a). 0-60%. Those guys are crazy. Will c/r with pairs,
flush draws, or even OESD.

(b). 60-85%. They occasionally c/r weak but probably has
our Hero beat.

(c). 85-95%. They're pretty tight. Will almost always
have TPTK beat to c/r.

(d). 95+%. Not only do they have TPTK beat, they probably
have a set. Some guys only call with two pair.

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04-24-2008 , 02:30 PM

bsball8806

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what are the denominations? is this a freezeout, or a cash game?

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04-24-2008 , 02:32 PM

jogsxyz

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Cash games.

Micro stakes to small stakes.

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04-24-2008 , 02:33 PM

orig!naL

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I think your ranges are a bit messed up. I am one of those "crazy" guys who will C/R or B3B a flush draw as long as I have some extra equity (2 overs, TP, sometimes any pair with the FD).

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04-24-2008 , 02:50 PM

bambam16

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I think you need to break up (a) into some smaller ranges. Depending on what position you raised in and what kind of villian is in BB, this could vary quite a bit. This is a very read-dependent question.

As stated, it's not too scary of a board (e.g. no face cards) so I imagine villian is c/r'ing with a wide range, especially if we have been cbetting a lot. Some air, draws, one pair, draws + 1 pair, so I can't imagine we're beat a high percentage of the time at the moment. But our hand is vulnerable and a lot of turn cards can change the action.

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04-24-2008 , 02:53 PM

jogsxyz

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You guys are voting (a) 0-60%, right?

This isn't what I've seen in a very small sample.

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04-24-2008 , 02:56 PM

JustinWilliams

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ranges need too be changed

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04-24-2008 , 02:57 PM

Inf1n1tY

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FDs, OESD, 33, 88+, QJ, T8

--> ~35-45%. We are not beat that often but we are often flipping vs his draws.

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04-24-2008 , 03:04 PM

jogsxyz

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Just occurred to me. The answer may be more than size of stake dependent.
Could this depend also on which site you're playing at?

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04-24-2008 , 03:06 PM

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jogsxyz

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Originally Posted by Inf1n1tY

FDs, OESD, 33, 88+, QJ, T8

--> ~35-45%. We are not beat that often but we are often flipping vs his draws.

Wasn't interesting in narrowing it down that precisely. Only wanted to know if average players in those limits were capable of giving action.

35-45% is 0-60% on my poll.

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04-24-2008 , 03:09 PM

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Inf1n1tY

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Originally Posted by jogsxyz

Just occurred to me. The answer may be more than size of stake dependent.
Could this depend also on which site you're playing at?

I think this is true. FTP is way raise happier than Stars (10NL-25NL). I am nearly convinced that people at stars only raise if they have TPTK beat but I am currently on a bad run.

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04-24-2008 , 05:59 PM

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jogsxyz

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Originally Posted by Inf1n1tY

I think this is true. FTP is way raise happier than Stars (10NL-25NL). I am nearly convinced that people at stars only raise if they have TPTK beat but I am currently on a bad run.

Ever notice that when you're running well, you're betting and they're calling.
When they start betting and raising is when you're running badly.

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04-24-2008 , 06:32 PM

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Antinome

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Any pair for sure, but I don't see a lot of c/r with draws except from shorties.

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