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11-19-2017 , 11:43 AM

scocopuff

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PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 104.3 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 13.75, PFR: 7.50, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 80)
BB: 109.1 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 5)
UTG: 132.5 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 13.89, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 109)
MP: 116.4 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
CO: 143.7 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (18.5 BB, 2 players) 2

BB checks, Hero bets 7.8 BB, BB calls 7.8 BB

Turn: (34.1 BB, 2 players) K

BB checks, Hero bets 18 BB, BB calls 18 BB

River: (70.1 BB, 2 players) 9

BB checks, Hero bets 69.5 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 66.9 BB

Not sure if/how often I should be value shoving this type of hand vs a value bet.

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11-19-2017 , 11:52 AM

pokerforumposter

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Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 856

he mostly has a weak or middling ace after check calls 2 streets, you will want to target those hands with like a 1/3 size bet otr

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11-19-2017 , 12:03 PM

BackdoorQuadsDraw

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Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 404

I think this is wp in terms of the line, the only thing I would suggest is to size up your bets to leave somewhere around a 2/3 pot shove on the river instead of a pot size one, you'll get more value throughout the hand this way and more likely to be called OTR. AP you don't really have a choice, you can't b/f with this SPR and betting small is just missing value.

I'm not going to work it out precisely but I'd go for 2/3 pot 2/3 pot shove. Should work out about right.

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11-19-2017 , 02:27 PM

JamesBJames

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Originally Posted by BackdoorQuadsDraw

+1

I think shoving river as played is still better than going for a small bet, but the hand is a lot more streamlined when you bet around something like 23 - 25 BB OTT so that when we get to the river we can shove for ~2/3 PSB.

Could also go a little larger OTF. I doubt villain c/f's anything on an A23r texture after checking flop.

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11-19-2017 , 02:36 PM

scocopuff

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So basically just get V pot committed to call river shove. Because im mainly only getting value from Ax. Thanks guys

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11-19-2017 , 03:12 PM

.isolated

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Originally Posted by scocopuff

Because im mainly only getting value from Ax.

Once the King comes on the turn, he's calling there with KK or Ax. QQ should be dropping out after that comes. If the board was two tone otf, it's possibly he could've c/c'ed w/KQs type things and still c/c'ed the turn with those. He has A4/A5 a bunch here that didn't want to get raised by c-betting.

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11-21-2017 , 04:39 AM

Feng Shui

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Pre seems loose to me vs a 3.5x three bet. We only have 5 hands on villain and it's not like were deep.

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11-21-2017 , 05:01 AM

IClickButtons

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Pre is good/standard with those sizings, the rest is well played too

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11-22-2017 , 02:47 PM

scocopuff

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Originally Posted by Feng Shui

Pre seems loose to me vs a 3.5x three bet. We only have 5 hands on villain and it's not like were deep.

Agreed.. its actually a slight adjustment I've made recently. I am still very much in a learning phase. But yeah, OOP its just too loose especially when we're not deep. Cheers!

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