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UTGvsBTN 6max Poll!

View Poll Results: UTGvsBTN 9

on Q

Flop

Check 80-100% of the time

23 69.70%

Bet 80-100% of the time

5 15.15%

Bet 3/4PSB 50% of the time

3 9.09%

Bet 1/3PSB 50% of the time

2 6.06%

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02-16-2019 , 09:16 PM

DooDooPoker

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Assume unknown and 100BB Stacks.

We have 9

and we raise UTG -everyone folds to BTN who calls. Both blinds fold.

Flop comes Q

Do you X or Bet this flop?

If you bet what sizing?

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02-16-2019 , 09:39 PM

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Also sorry if it’s not clear. If you are betting 3/4 or 1/3 50% of the time, you are obviously checking 50% of the time as well.

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02-16-2019 , 10:57 PM

stavrosfil

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How much is the raise preflop?

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02-16-2019 , 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stavrosfil

How much is the raise preflop?

2.5x

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02-16-2019 , 11:06 PM

stavrosfil

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

2.5x

BU’s range is something like 22+, T9s+, AQ+, QJs+, KJs+. He would have probably 3bet with QQ+.

We have two overcards in the board, we are out of position and don’t have many chances for improving.

A bet is unlikely to get called by worst. Anything that calls our bet has us beaten.

I would probably c-bet if there is any fold equity and give up on further resistance. A lot of people at these stakes set mine, and they will quickly fold if they don’t hit their set.

I think at this point our hand will become a just bluff catcher by showdown. We are probably dominated in the case of any runner runner straight.

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02-16-2019 , 11:19 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by stavrosfil

BU’s range is something like 22+, T9s+, AQ+, QJs+, KJs+. He would have probably 3bet with QQ+.

We have two overcards in the board, we are out of position and don’t have many chances for improving.

A bet is unlikely to get called by worst. Anything that calls our bet has us beaten.

I would probably c-bet if there is any fold equity and give up on further resistance. A lot of people at these stakes set mine, and they will quickly fold if they don’t hit their set.

I think at this point our hand will become a just bluff catcher by showdown. We are probably dominated in the case of any runner runner straight.

What sizing would you use if you end up cbetting?

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02-16-2019 , 11:22 PM

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Depends on the table. I think 1/2 - 3/4 is good. Probably 3/4. But I am not a good player.

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02-16-2019 , 11:43 PM

mrno1324

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Did you sim this and now testing people lol?
Standard check for me with full range but pray tell what the sims say

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02-16-2019 , 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mrno1324

Did you sim this and now testing people lol?
Standard check for me with full range but pray tell what the sims say

haha yes. but SIMS will have to be done with a wide array of BTN ranges because people play so differently.

I may do multiple SIMS and find the average between them.

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02-17-2019 , 01:47 AM

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wonkydonk

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All-in for thin value/protection 3% of the time. Checking the other 97%

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02-17-2019 , 12:14 PM

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JohnRusty

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Probably should be a x. Call any bet less than 3/4 and evaluate

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02-17-2019 , 02:34 PM

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Scott7x

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Originally Posted by wonkydonk

All-in for thin value/protection 3% of the time. Checking the other 97%

Seems gto to me.

I would check, I think if u bet you have to size very small otherwise it’s spew.

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02-17-2019 , 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

haha yes. but SIMS will have to be done with a wide array of BTN ranges because people play so differently.

I may do multiple SIMS and find the average between them.

Not to mention asking here is probably faster than waiting for Piosolver to finish calculating....

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02-17-2019 , 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnRusty

Probably should be a x. Call any bet less than 3/4 and evaluate

Check call or check fold?

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02-17-2019 , 06:10 PM

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MMSS

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

I may do multiple SIMS and find the average between them.

Please don't do this it isn't how it works.

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02-17-2019 , 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MMSS

Please don't do this it isn't how it works.

Yeah I’m just going to do one, and give BTN reasonable ranges. I want to make sure im doing the SIMs correctly that’s part of the reason I posted this.

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02-17-2019 , 06:21 PM

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MMSS

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Yeah I’m just going to do one, and give BTN reasonable ranges. I want to make sure im doing the SIMs correctly that’s part of the reason I posted this.

No, do multiple sims and see how different ranges affect what you do. I'd say that's really important just don't average anything out because it doesn't work like that.

i.e. villain has 70% of hands therefore we 1/2 pot 50% of our range. Villain has 50% of hands therefore we 1/2 pot 40% of our range therefore in between that we should go for 40-50%.

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02-17-2019 , 06:33 PM

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Have no idea how people think this is a range check. What is your UTG range for that to be the case?

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02-17-2019 , 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MMSS

Oh okay, this Solver is so fun. What do you think are reasonable ranges for a BTN call vs UTG raise? Also sizing is super important so I’ll have to do multiple SIMs on Multiple SIMs to get the sizing correct.

For starters I’m not assuming some amazing player so I’ll say:
22-TT
A2s-AJs
K9s-KJs
Q9s-QJs
54s+
AQo

Anything else?

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02-17-2019 , 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BornToRun

Have no idea how people think this is a range check. What is your UTG range for that to be the case?

I think a lot of people check range here and think it’s good. I used to be one of those people like 2 days ago

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02-17-2019 , 07:02 PM

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stavrosfil

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Oh okay, this Solver is so fun. What do you think are reasonable ranges for a BTN call vs UTG raise? Also sizing is super important so I’ll have to do multiple SIMs on Multiple SIMs to get the sizing correct.

For starters I’m not assuming some amazing player so I’ll say:

22-TT

A2s-AJs

K9s-KJs

Q9s-QJs

54s+

AQo

Anything else?

Are you using Piosolver? If yes, then you don’t need multiple runs. You can specify multiple sizing in the same run.

Also I would add JJ. A bit nitty, but not unlikely.

Also solver assumes optimal opponent. That’s definitely not the case at these stakes.

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02-17-2019 , 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stavrosfil

No using GTO+. I can throw in weighted ranges too, like calls JJ 50% of the time and 3bets it 50%. What do you think a reasonable UTG opening range is?

You can throw in multiple sizings in the same run with GTO as well.

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02-17-2019 , 09:45 PM

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stavrosfil

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

77+ QTs+ KTs+ T9s+ ATs+ KQo AJo

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02-17-2019 , 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stavrosfil

77+ QTs+ KTs+ T9s+ ATs+ KQo AJo

If you're a nit, sure.

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02-17-2019 , 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stavrosfil

77+ QTs+ KTs+ T9s+ ATs+ KQo AJo

That’s really tight. I think we can expand to 44+, all Axs,J9s+ ATo+,KJo+ and I could put hands like 76s/87s at 50% frequency

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