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01-02-2011 , 02:13 PM
UTG:30/0/0 over 26 hands
CO:19/11/9 over 84 hands
Should i call at least one street and give up if faced with aggression later?This fold feels so weak tight.

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $6.95
CO: $6.21
BTN: $5.15
Hero (SB): $5.71
BB: $7.70
UTG: $3.80

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with T T
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.22, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.17

Flop: ($0.71) 6 K 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $0.40, Hero folds, UTG folds
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01-02-2011 , 02:29 PM
It's not a horrible fold if he tends to barrel somewhat.
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01-02-2011 , 02:45 PM
Villain was 50/30 over only 30 hands. He was quite active postflop too. Is calling OTR std?

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $10.07
MP: $18.86
Hero (CO): $11.35
BTN: $10.24
SB: $3.75
BB: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with A K
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, MP calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.15) A 6 4 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.23, MP calls $1.23

Turn: ($4.61) 2 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $3.29, MP calls $3.29

River: ($11.19) 5 (2 players)
MP bets $6.00, Hero calls $5.83 all in
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01-02-2011 , 11:29 PM
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $11.59
MP: $9.53
CO: $19.96
BTN: $14.09
Hero (SB): $11.66
BB: $10.67

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with J J
UTG raises to $0.30, 1 fold, CO calls $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, UTG raises to $2.90, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.40

standard with these stackS AMIRITE?
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01-02-2011 , 11:40 PM
^Flat pre AINEC.
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01-02-2011 , 11:41 PM
is this okay? villain is a 29/20 laggy type and we have a very aggressive dynamic vs each other...

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $8.27
BB: $42.13
UTG: $10.26
Hero (CO): $14.93
BTN: $9.77

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 4 4

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 3 T Q
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.45, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BB calls $0.80

River: ($3.05, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero bets $2.90, BB raises to $11.75, Hero raises to $13.43 and is all-in, BB calls $1.68
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01-02-2011 , 11:43 PM
^Check back turn.
"Aggro dynamic" doesn't really mean anything useful for reads/gameflow unless you specifically mean postflop as well as pre, where he'll take this line with worse for value or be bluffing here a bunch.
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01-02-2011 , 11:49 PM
you think the river should be a fold?
why don't you like barrelling the K?
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01-02-2011 , 11:54 PM
Doubt anyone will notice it Blagojevich, but I bet when you multi barrel bluff you instinctively double your bet sizing on each street. I have caught myself and other people doing this quite a few times.
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01-02-2011 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoagie
Doubt anyone will notice it Blagojevich, but I bet when you multi barrel bluff you instinctively double your bet sizing on each street. I have caught myself and other people doing this quite a few times.
that's interesting. i wonder if i do that!
here's another hand... what do you think of my decision not to bet the turn?


Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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CO: $18.32
BTN: $10.19
SB: $10.00
Hero (BB): $14.32

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with K A
CO calls $0.10, BTN raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.20, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.55) J K 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.40, BTN calls $1.40

Turn: ($5.35) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3, Hero calls $3

River: ($11.35) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.40, BTN calls $4.59 all in
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01-03-2011 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RBlagojevich
you think the river should be a fold?
why don't you like barrelling the K?
Think what his flop calling range is.
TJ?QJ?KJ?9J?AJ?AK?

Just random cards I'm throwing out, but you get the point.

I think it's a gross spot and really depends on how often you think he'll c/c c/c c/r the river with two pairs. I think it's slim and because of that you have a bluff catcher, so shoving river (even $1 more) is somewhat spewy.

H2: I think it's a lame decision to not bet turn if you're gonna just shove river. If you check it's cause you think there's more value in inducing than betting. But then if you're inducing turn, why are you shoving river?
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01-03-2011 , 12:44 AM
Ongame Network $20.00 No Limit Hold'em

BTN: $73.59 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 145
SB: $48.76 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 2.9, Hands: 515
Hero (BB): $62.22 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 21, 3B: 5, AF: 4.7, Hands: 113417
UTG: $5.00 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 18
CO: $72.03 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 3, 3B: 4, AF: 2.1, Hands: 145

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, UTG calls $0.80, CO calls $0.80, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.30) 2 5 J (3 players)
Hero bets $3.00, UTG folds, CO calls $3

Turn: ($9.30) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.00, CO calls $6

River: ($21.30) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $14.00

300bb deep vs fish.

Comments on betsizing?

Last edited by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.); 01-03-2011 at 12:50 AM.
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01-03-2011 , 12:49 AM
Ongame Network $20.00 No Limit Hold'em

BTN: $20.73 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 19, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 47
SB: $8.40 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 9, 3B: 2, AF: 1.4, Hands: 112
Hero (BB): $22.09 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 21, 3B: 5, AF: 4.7, Hands: 113417
UTG: $20.76 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 1.2, Hands: 396
CO: $20.00 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 21, 3B: 0, AF: 4.3, Hands: 14

CO posts a big blind ($0.20)

Pre Flop: ($0.50) Hero is BB with 2 4
1 fold, CO checks, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.50) 2 2 T (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, CO raises to $3, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($7.50) K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

Standard? Or fold somewhere?
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01-03-2011 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz
^Flat pre AINEC.
villain running 28vpip/25pfr in EP.

still NEC?
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01-03-2011 , 01:21 AM
wack if you're squeezing for value, ship over his 4bet. But I still flat pre even if he's insanely LAG from EP (because it means we stack his junk top pair with our set sometimes etc). Also oversetting CO is cool.

tits, hand #1, I'm bombing close to pot every street. So more on turn and river imo. I might overbet river because that's a pretty good river card (counterfeits his two pairs etc etc) and because it looks so FOS on that dry of a board and I doubt he's folding TPGK.

hand #2, nh, not folding vs. an aggrodonk but too thin to raise. You seem to play against a lot of fish.




Usually I fold overpairs when my cbet gets raised, but I got in the mindset of "lol so few combos of sets/quads, oh and there's a flush draw and openender, ship it". Meh, villain is a TAG reg and prob setmining, I think I should've folded when he snapraises (or like 3 secs or so), but give me some advice:


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (MP): $106.00
CO: $50.85
BTN: $50.00
SB: $50.00
BB: $34.20
UTG: $116.35

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with A A
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BTN calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 7 4 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.25, BTN raises to $11.50, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $26, BTN raises to $48 all in, Hero says "nh", Hero calls $22

Turn: ($100.75) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($100.75) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)
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01-03-2011 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by wackybrak
villain running 28vpip/25pfr in EP.

still NEC?
Give relevant stats next time.
Just cause someone plays super loose, does not mean you can get in JJ vs them profitably because they'll be folding a lot. But I guess you're getting it in now.

tits: QQ: I go 2.5[3.3], 6.5[8.3], 17[21.3]
24o: I don't think I'm folding turn. River's good that we chop with some 2x now I guess... Can't see him betting worse for value though.

loldonk: Depends on reads,flop cbet raise%,fold to cbet%,WWSF. Sucks that we're holding the As. Vs some people, this is such a fist pump because they always slowplay the flop with anything decent. I prefer flatting flop though.

Last edited by z0mgtiltz; 01-03-2011 at 01:29 AM.
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01-03-2011 , 01:26 AM
donkaments, Its bad against some people and great against others. Dont think he raises 44 here a whole lot so you are basically looking at FD's, 7x and some random "i dont believe that you dont believe that I dont cannot have pear, trips, here, FU" kinda stuff.

But if thats the case you might just want to call.

And some people just never raise flops, so...
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01-03-2011 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)
Ongame Network $20.00 No Limit Hold'em

BTN: $20.73 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 19, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 47
SB: $8.40 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 9, 3B: 2, AF: 1.4, Hands: 112
Hero (BB): $22.09 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 21, 3B: 5, AF: 4.7, Hands: 113417
UTG: $20.76 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 1.2, Hands: 396
CO: $20.00 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 21, 3B: 0, AF: 4.3, Hands: 14

CO posts a big blind ($0.20)

Pre Flop: ($0.50) Hero is BB with 2 4
1 fold, CO checks, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.50) 2 2 T (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, CO raises to $3, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($7.50) K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

Standard? Or fold somewhere?
I would fold river... you only beat a missed heart draw, and i don't think I've ever seen a loose fish minraise turn pot river with a draw.

unless you have betsizing tell... but normally, minraise from fish on nutted boards especially on the turn is pretty strong.
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01-03-2011 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)
Ongame Network $20.00 No Limit Hold'em

BTN: $73.59 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 145
SB: $48.76 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 2.9, Hands: 515
Hero (BB): $62.22 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 21, 3B: 5, AF: 4.7, Hands: 113417
UTG: $5.00 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 18
CO: $72.03 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 3, 3B: 4, AF: 2.1, Hands: 145

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, UTG calls $0.80, CO calls $0.80, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.30) 2 5 J (3 players)
Hero bets $3.00, UTG folds, CO calls $3

Turn: ($9.30) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.00, CO calls $6

River: ($21.30) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $14.00

300bb deep vs fish.

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def bigger turn and river, hes not folding a jack and hes not calling a worst pair.
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01-03-2011 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz
loldonk: Depends on reads,flop cbet raise%,fold to cbet%,WWSF. Sucks that we're holding the As. Vs some people, this is such a fist pump because they always slowplay the flop with anything decent. I prefer flatting flop though.
How do you incorperate WWSF into that decision? And does fCB% influence raiseCB% in any way?

I just look at cbet raise % in that spot and end up calling down when its too high.
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01-03-2011 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)
How do you incorperate WWSF into that decision? And does fCB% influence raiseCB% in any way?

I just look at cbet raise % in that spot and end up calling down when its too high.
cbet raise % takes a while to converge obviously, so you'll need a pretty big hand sample to rely on this stat.

I would assume WWSF indicates the aggressiveness of the player, if it's 45%+ then villain is raising/taking aggressive lines a lot and is apt to be raissing flush draws/OESDs as semibluffs. Whereas if WWSF was below 40%, villain is pretty nitty and folds a ton and doesn't really fight for pots, so when he raises he has it.

177 hand sample on villain in my hand, his raise cbet % is 14% (1/7, so this is completely useless because when he raised cbet in the hand above, it was his first time), WWSF was 56% over 25 flops seen though.
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01-03-2011 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by donnyz89
I would fold river... you only beat a missed heart draw, and i don't think I've ever seen a loose fish minraise turn pot river with a draw.

unless you have betsizing tell... but normally, minraise from fish on nutted boards especially on the turn is pretty strong.
Yeah, but 14 hands, just have trouble reading those erratic Ongame fish in spots like this.

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Originally Posted by donnyz89
def bigger turn and river, hes not folding a jack and hes not calling a worst pair.
Yeah, well... He called river with 7d8d. Thought that was in the hand I posted. I just get scured when I have to put in a lot more then 100bb with one pair, even against a fish.
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01-03-2011 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LOLdonkaments.
cbet raise % takes a while to converge obviously, so you'll need a pretty big hand sample to rely on this stat.

I would assume WWSF indicates the aggressiveness of the player, if it's 45%+ then villain is raising/taking aggressive lines a lot and is apt to be raissing flush draws/OESDs as semibluffs. Whereas if WWSF was below 40%, villain is pretty nitty and folds a ton and doesn't really fight for pots, so when he raises he has it.
All those stats obv need a decent samplesize.

But i'd like to know when, for instance, his WWSF is really high, he can still have a low raise flop%?

Cuz I try to hudbot as little as possible but also dont want to miss any of the important info obv.
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01-03-2011 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)
All those stats obv need a decent samplesize.

But i'd like to know when, for instance, his WWSF is really high, he can still have a low raise flop%?

Cuz I try to hudbot as little as possible but also dont want to miss any of the important info obv.
WWSF converges pretty quickly though because obviously people see flops a lot

If WWSF is high it could mean he's playing only premium hands when he goes postflop, or that he is aggressive (raising a lot so never really going to showdown) and can vbet relentlessly and thinly.

So yeah if his WWSF is high, his raise flop % can still be low because he could be raising on later streets, valuebetting thinly, or maybe is just a plain old nit that folds almost every hand preflop.
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01-03-2011 , 01:55 AM
WWSF is just a measure of how much a person fights postflop for a pot
Just a general idea as a guide, don't take these literally:

<40% WWSF = I will give up whenever they show aggression until further reads
40-45% WWSF = these are what weak-tight regulars can run at (and even good regulars over small samples) and just fire once and give up
45-50% WWSF = pretty standard decent tag, double barrels somewhat, won't fire the 3rd one often
50-55% WWSF = super aggro regs/aggro fish, barrels a lot of equity, and triple barrels air sometimes
55%+ = never folding a half decent hand to them cause they're probably a huge aggro fish (no one really runs 55%+ WWSF over a decent sample. if they did they'd go busto/be exploited so fast)

WWSF takes a while to converge cause obv, people can run hot. But it doesn't really take long to notice which guys are the ones that are bluffraising everywhere.

For flopcbet raise% vs fold to cbet, I'm just kind of trying to get an idea of how often they're folding,flatting,raising and so I can understand what kind of ranges they'll flat. Anyone with a raise cbet of over 15% makes me suspicious and I'll start noting what board textures they're attacking.
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