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01-25-2011 , 07:12 PM
Thanks for the detailed reponse

And if I 3bet flop and he shoves, fold?
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01-25-2011 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by andymc1
Thanks for the detailed reponse

And if I 3bet flop and he shoves, fold?
No I would call.

Look at the combos of hands that beat you. 1 combos of Q9s 6 combos of Q9o and 7 set combos.

Weigh that against all of the other possible hands he can jam and we feel pretty comfortable calling off imo. He could have slow played AA or KK or 9T or AQ or KQ or random bluffs.

I am not saying its a fist pump or anything. I just think a lot of people look at that board and go ZOMG HE HAS ME BEAT. Without thinking how many hands beat us and how many villain can play like that that we beat.
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01-25-2011 , 07:56 PM
ok I see your point.

I'm comming out of a rough patch at the moment I went on a down/breakeven streak for 30k hnds or so and went down about 11 buyins so the biggest thing going on in my head at the moment when someone raises like that on flop is he has a set (as has been usually the case of late) so I need to get back into the neutral state of mind :P

Things are on the up again now i'm back to where i was when all the garbage started.
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01-25-2011 , 09:40 PM
Yeah,

I just got out of a decent DS myself. The key is to remember we aren't playing against the 2 cards in his hands but rather the entire range of hands he could have in this spot. Look up some old hhs and stove some hands you were vale betting but you think its questionable. put him on an honest range and stove it. It will really help you look at where you can get thin value and where you should just be checking back/ folding.
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01-25-2011 , 11:49 PM
5NL Rush.

Button is 21/17 TAGish after 82 hands.
SB is 30/0 fishy after 10 hands.

I definitely did not like the 3-bet or my position. Flop seemed like a no brainer, or was it bad?

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BTN: $6.09
SB: $2.54
BB: $2.49
Hero (UTG): $11.32
MP: $7.05
CO: $9.52

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $0.17, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.55, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.38

Flop: ($1.67) 4 T 2 (3 players)
BB bets $1.94 all in, Hero calls $1.94, BTN raises to $5.54 all in, Hero folds
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01-26-2011 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by gonnacrush
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with A K
Getting it in on flop is fine without reads.

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Originally Posted by gonnacrush
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with Q K
Pre is fine.
Turn depends on how fit/fold he plays postflop. If he plays fit/fold, c/f unless he bets really small. If he peels kinda light on flops, b/c turn.

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Originally Posted by Foldo
Dealt to Hero T T
Flat pre.
Edit: Nvm, saw that UTG was a fish.
If I check turn, it's to c/f.
If I bet turn, I'm probably going to shove river as a bluff.
If that river card came up, I'm gonna c/f. Villain always has a hand like AQ+,TT+ from preflop, and has no need to turn it into a bluff.

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Originally Posted by andymc1
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with Q 7
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Originally Posted by Hoagie
I wonder what mister deity thinks about this?
I think calling flop is okay. I wouldn't assume that he'd flat AQ and then c/r it without reads. 3betting is prob going to be fine, but I'd prefer to save it for a drawier board where he can have more draws to stack off with.

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Originally Posted by Zaba
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with A 9
I'm folding river without reads. You can call turn and fold river because A9o beats his 2barrelling range but now he doesn't bet worse 9x for value on this river especially for pot. Obv, the flushdraw missed but you don't have reads on his river tendencies so...

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Originally Posted by Koss
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with Q Q
4b/c pre with the dead money from the BB in the pot.
You should also give relevant stats and notes on BTN (is he positionally aware? Does he 3bet more on the button? What is his 3bet stat?)

Last edited by Frenzied Deity; 01-26-2011 at 12:26 AM.
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01-26-2011 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Frenzied Deity
Flat pre.
Edit: Nvm, saw that UTG was a fish.
If I check turn, it's to c/f.
If I bet turn, I'm probably going to shove river as a bluff.
If that river card came up, I'm gonna c/f. Villain always has a hand like AQ+,TT+ from preflop, and has no need to turn it into a bluff.
You're right, thanks. I don't know what i was thinking to c/c ott and esp otr. i just couldn't put any Ax in his range and JJ and QQ made some sense, meh thats too narrow range, i gotta call here. even if i thought i was best here, bet would have been better i know, so its b/f instead of c/c the next time. thanks again.
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01-26-2011 , 06:03 AM
this is mainly a sizing question

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NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($48.50)
Hero ($50)
UTG ($20)
UTG+1 ($175)
CO ($201)
BTN ($20.30)

Dealt to Hero XX

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.50, SB raises to $5.50,

i want to 4 bet here. note buttons stack. how do i make this not awkward for me in the event he shoves?
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01-26-2011 , 07:10 AM
If you have a hand you want it in against just make it like $12. If your hand isn't great then shove or fold.
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01-26-2011 , 07:12 AM
Villain is 40/30/0% 3-bet after 11 hands. I called hoping he would monkey shove a missed AK on the flop.


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BB: $11.41
UTG: $5.13
Hero (MP): $10.28
CO: $3.88
BTN: $6.66
SB: $2.07

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with Q Q
UTG raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.65, 4 folds, UTG raises to $1.95, Hero calls $1.30

Flop: ($3.97) 2 J 7 (2 players)
UTG bets $3.18 all in, Hero calls $3.18

Turn: ($10.33) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($10.33) J (2 players - 1 is all in)
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01-26-2011 , 10:56 AM
I would just shove pre.I really doubt he is ever folding once he 4bets with those stack sizes.What would you do if an A or a K comes on the flop?Just end the hand preflop imo.
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01-26-2011 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy
His 3B is fine BTN vs blinds.
Certainly it is not bad if villain is calling much 3bets IP, but I think calling here is more +EV since it keeps his range wider.

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Originally Posted by gonnacrush
I appreciate it that you give atleast some comment about the hand but I asked about the turn.
It is propably a fold unless you think that he is going to triple barrel here quite often or do you consider K/Q to be outs for you.
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01-26-2011 , 02:38 PM
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SB ($44.16)
BB ($29.91)
Hero ($29.43)
UTG+1 ($86.60)
CO ($13.20)
BTN ($83.03)

Dealt to Hero 5 A , Hero raises to $0.85, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.60

FLOP ($1.80) K Q K

BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $1.50

TURN ($7.80) K Q K J

BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $4.50

RIVER ($25.80) K Q K J 4

[color=red]BB checks, Hero bets $16.58 (AI),

how does this look?
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01-26-2011 , 03:51 PM
Pretty standard IMO. Shoving flop or turn seems like a spew, but when river is checked the value bet is a no brainer.
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01-26-2011 , 03:54 PM
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BB ($33.25)
UTG ($32.46)
Hero ($49.39)
CO ($21.98)
BTN ($46.85)

Dealt to Hero K A , UTG raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.85, fold, BTN raises to $3.75, fold, fold, UTG calls $2.90, Hero calls $2.90

this is fine since btn and i are deep right? you think 3betting utg is ok pf rather than calling the intial raise?
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01-26-2011 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hang
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.50, SB raises to $5.50,
Just make it $12. It doesn't matter about BTN, if you have a hand that you're going to 4b, you can't fold to his shove anyway.

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Originally Posted by Koss
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with Q Q
Jam pre. If you're flatting pre for the reason of getting AK to spaz, does that mean you're open-folding A/K high flops? And if he doesn't spaz when he doesn't hit, doesn't it mean you've missed out on something close to a buyin of value?

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Originally Posted by binkchink
Dealt to Hero 5 A
Your line is fine. Jamming turn is fine too, there might be a load of action killers on the river.

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Originally Posted by binkchink
Dealt to Hero K A
Your line is fine.
You can 4bet, but that depends how wide you think button is 3betting and if either UTG or BTN would put in a bunch of money with a dominated hand preflop.
Or if you think BTN folds often enough and UTG stacks off light cause you look like a PP or something.
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01-26-2011 , 04:17 PM
Villain opens 40% of SBs, Cbets 83%(6) on flop and 100%(2) on turn over 337 hands. Never seen villain get to the river.

IPoker Network $20.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $22.14
SB: $19.90
Hero (BB): $27.14
UTG: $30.41
MP: $5.50
CO: $22.43

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BB with J T
4 folds, SB raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.60) K J Q (2 players)
SB bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.00) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $3.00, Hero calls $3

River: ($10.00) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.40, SB raises to $14.90, Hero folds

Called turn cos royal FD obv, standard? Is river standard?
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01-26-2011 , 04:30 PM
NLvictim: looks fine to me. maybe make it 6 on the river.
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01-26-2011 , 05:45 PM
SB is passive 54/8.
UTG is 25/0 over only 12 hands so no real reads.
Think this is pretty standard right?

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SB: $25.27
Hero (BB): $25.35
UTG: $17.44
CO: $22.22
BTN: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 5 4
UTG calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.00) 5 4 6 (4 players)
SB bets $0.75, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $2.50, UTG calls $2.50, CO folds, SB calls $1.75

Turn: ($8.50) A (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, UTG raises to $14.69 all in, SB folds, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $7.69
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01-26-2011 , 06:10 PM
Refarm, i call this one, Ahi is there and i put him on that one, if he had sets on flop he would have shoved i guess. HE can have a pairs but i would be more afrain if a card that isnt a scare card came here on turn, T,J or something like that.
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01-27-2011 , 05:54 AM
I'm currently reading The Poker Blueprint and the author suggest that you should raise a8o+ from the button.TBH i'm raising any suited and offsuited ace from that position if the pot wasn't raised before me without
even thinking about it.
I'm playing nl5 rush though,so maybe the players don't fight back and protect the blinds and aren't really agressive in general so this might not be a big deal.
Anyway,what do you think about my button raising range.Should i follow the advice from the book and muck the small offsuit aces?
It obviously depends on the players in the blinds but what would you do as a stadard?
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01-27-2011 , 05:56 AM
Your button range should change dynamically based on the players in the blinds.

Thats all.

You can raise any2 in some spots, and only A8+ in others. I read the pbp and its really good. I cant recall but im sure that they say this should be a standard readless, not a set range. And thats prob made up for beginning players, im comfortable openraising much wider as a default as well.
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01-27-2011 , 07:12 AM
when u're being carddead for some periods of time, like playing 0/0 after 2,3 orbits at the table, do you try and force your numbers more LAG style, opening more marginal hands like J4s from CO or A3s from UTG and stuff like that, or do you just go with the flow and fold everything? i often find my self being very nitty and yet i play mostly the same all the time.
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01-27-2011 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Reframer
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 5 4
I would think that you're toast everytime here.
I'd prob stick the money in in-game anyway though, cause I hate shortstackers.
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01-27-2011 , 09:12 AM
villian is 36/10
agg% 24
30 hands

meh, fold?

Party Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1144092
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MP: $36.58
CO: $25.00
Hero (BTN): $25.35
SB: $14.81
BB: $25.57
UTG: $21.55

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with Q Q
UTG raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.75, 2 folds, UTG calls $2

Flop: ($5.85) 3 K 5 (2 players)
UTG bets $18.80, Hero folds

Final Pot: $5.85
UTG wins $5.56
(Rake: $0.29)
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