Villain is like 32 / 18 and passive and stationey postflop over 55.
Is that turn check horrible?
I was trying to get a street on the river vs a curious 8x / 99+ and Ax+ probably bets the river anyway.

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Hero (CO): $10.25
BTN: $10.00
SB: $10.00
BB: $16.00
UTG: $21.86

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 3 3
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) 3 6 8 (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90, SB folds

Turn: ($2.70) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.70) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $2.70, Hero raises to $9.05, BB calls $6.35

^^^ yeah, the turn check is horrible imo

Ok fair enough.
Reasons why please?

c/r flop, he is passive so he often has an overpair that he wont fold.

Not betting turn is terribad

-he potted the flop so he obviously likes his hand
-you said he's stationy so he won't immediately let it go
-A3, A6, A8 can be in his range as well as various Ax's of broadways
-if he has an open ender like 45 or 79 he'll call because he'll think "sweet, i have implied odds", but you won't be able to get value on the river
-obv not folding 68
-it's gonna be hard to get stacks in if you allow a street of value to pass you by
-you probably bet turns constantly as a bluff when the A hits so you get to lolbalance your range there as a bonus

edit: yeah, when i have a set on that board and fish pots it, i am fistpumpraising

Ok getting value from 45 or 79 that I can't get on the river is a good reason.
Anything Ax or better is betting the river and I stack anyway.
I don't bluff against these villains without very decent equity to go with it.
Balance my range at 10NL against this guy?!?
I'm not stacking 8x or 99-QQ anyway.
I respect both of your posts but you've yet to convince me on this one.

there can be so many draws, i don't like letting him take a free card. if he has 45, he gets to play perfectly against you and stack you when he hits, get away cheap when he misses.

lolbalance.
Villain doesn't have Ax or better that often.
You got very lucky that villain managed to have a hand that will 2 bets in on the river, because that wouldn't usually happen.
You don't stack 8x or 99-QQ but you don't get 2 bets from them, which you would nearly always get if you bet turn,bet river.

I think he has 8x, 99-QQ more than anything else.
Then Ax+.
Lastly 45 or 79 it's such a small part of villain's range to be basing our decisions on.

there's also 75 and T9. with many of these combos of suited connectors he's picked up a FD on the turn as well.

he's never ever c/f'ing 8x+ on the turn

Alright you've just convinced me.
That tips the balance.

Ongame Network $20.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

BB: $14.38 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 31
UTG: $9.21 - VPIP: 88, PFR: 3, 3B: 2, AF: 1.0, Hands: 135
Hero (CO): $22.11 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 21, 3B: 5, AF: 4.7, Hands: 142006
BTN: $22.59 - VPIP: 58, PFR: 13, 3B: 6, AF: 1.2, Hands: 89
SB: $20.69 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 26, 3B: 5, AF: 1.3, Hands: 50

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is CO with K A
UTG calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, BTN calls $0.80, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.70) J A 2 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.00, BTN calls $2, UTG folds

Turn: ($6.70) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.55, BTN calls $4.55

River: ($15.80) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7.90, Hero folds

Final Pot: $15.80
BTN wins $7.90
(Rake: $0.79)

Villains river agg freq is 40. But he seems really passive overall, this OK?

tim, i'm bet/folding rather than check/folding vs this fish. he plays every Ax in the deck.

Worst card in the deck.
I think i prefer a check/fold to a bet/fold here unless you think villain would always bet AQ when checked to and would always call with Ax, JK etc.
Against a vpip of 58 we can put A9 and below in the range too.
Really can't decided between check / fold or bet / fold for half pot.

Problem is stacksize obv, I have a psb left.

You could still bet 7 and fold if you like as villain is never shipping worse.
Still think I just about prefer a check/fold though.

Ok this is totally what the thread is designed for.
Pretty sure I know what's best here but confirmation would be sweet.

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BB: $16.61
UTG: $3.55
Hero (MP): $10.35
CO: $14.57
BTN: $10.51
SB: $10.34

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with K K
UTG raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 1 fold, BTN raises to $1.20, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.90

I flat pre because I have 3 active squeezy 3 bettors behind me and what do you know I get my wish.
Flat or 4bet now?
35bb stack is a fish and btn is a 15/13/12 over 60 hands.

4betttttt. Jam or make it small depending on how spazzy they are or how light they'll stack off depending on what you do.

If he seems really passive overall, a blocker bet could be good just to buy a cheaper showdown and to get value off some of his range. Something exploitable like $4-$5. Although I guess buying a cheaper showdown may not be desired if we think villain is never turning made hands into bluffs. So with respect to that, c/f is okay so long as we think villain will play his hand for what it is when checked to.



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CO: $62.75
Hero (BTN): $54.75
SB: $33.00
BB: $50.00
UTG: $51.45
MP: $58.70

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with A A
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $2

Flop: ($5.75) 7 4 8 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $4.50, UTG calls $4.50

Turn: ($14.75) 5 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $11, UTG calls $11

River: ($36.75) 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $36.75 all in,

vs. unknown fish (not sure if it's the terribad calling station fish or the weaktight-passive fish). River shove is too thin? I thought the 4 pairing the board was one of the best cards in the deck (decrease villain's nut combos, counterfeits various 2pairs, etc) and felt like there could be thin value to be had against a fish checking down every street. Maybe a halfpot value bet instead? I tried stoving ranges, but when fish can limpcall ATC, it became too difficult to assign an accurate range without being too conservative or too liberal with value hands.

Sorry for all the request times, I know it's annoying but Tableninja clicks time as soon as it pops up and I tend to take a lot of time thinking about ranges, etc.

Do you fold this at any point?

UTG: 22/20 AF:40%; 3bet 11%; f3bet 0; hands 55
UTG+1 unknown, new at the table

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Hero ($6.08)
BB ($5)
UTG ($5.26)
UTG+1 ($2.44)
CO ($3.75)
BTN ($5.24)

Dealt to Hero K A

UTG raises to $0.16, UTG+1 calls $0.16, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.56, fold, UTG calls $0.40, fold

FLOP ($1.32) A Q 6

Hero bets $0.72, UTG calls $0.72

TURN ($2.76) A Q 6 7

Hero bets $2, UTG raises to $3.98 (AI), Hero calls $1.98

RIVER ($10.72) A Q 6 7 9

Hero shows K A
(Pre 46%, Flop 6.8%, Turn 0.0%)

UTG shows Q Q
(Pre 54%, Flop 93.2%, Turn 100.0%)

UTG wins $10.01

loldonk: I think that river shove is really thin. Only thing you can basically hope for is 78 to call there. Its basically a bluff I at this point I think. Maybe b.f really small or even c/f are better. But as you see in the hand I posted I am struggling in spots like that myself.

Foldo: Once you 3bet pre you cannot really fold and you get a great price on the turn.

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Hero (SB): $117.35
BB: $33
UTG: $50
MP: $51.40
CO: $116.40
BTN: $41.10

Pre-Flop: A A dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG raises to $1.50, MP folds, CO calls $1.50, BTN folds, Hero raises to $6.50, 2 folds, CO calls $5

Flop: ($15) 3 8 3 (2 Players)
Hero bets $13, CO raises to $26, Hero calls $13

Turn: ($67) 3 (2 Players)
Hero checks, [color=red]CO bets $83.90 and is All-In


Vs an 85/55 drooler with 7.0 AF over 150 hands. Its rush, I have no specific reads on his min raise flop bomb turn range. 230bb deep. Fist pumping?

You'd expect a drooler to play every FH like its the nuts, so yeah, standard.

loldonkaments: i dunno, it's a tough decision. i don't tend to put a lot of medium suited connector type cards in anybody's 3bet calling range, so maybe this is optimistic but I think you're value towning TT-QQ often enough that the river shove makes sense.

scoob: fistpump