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01-16-2013 , 06:31 PM
Im no cashplayer, but i think pre is ok having a tight image and opponents who are capable of folding pre. Call is better though, since we are not forcing ourselves to play a big pot with a bluff oop ín a multiway pot. If any player is a huge calling station you are just value-owning yourself imo.

Otf i hate the sizing. I would make it about 1/4 pot just to get info what hands my opponents have. If i get raised right there i fold. If that bet gets just called by a single player i think i would barrel/gii ott.
As played i would give up ott, since i doubt you get anything to fold here.
Btw, if you post don't make it obvious you lost the hand.
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01-16-2013 , 08:03 PM
Preflop seems like spew. Yes, it can be OK if you have a tight image, and your opponents can find the fold button. However, I don't see anything in the stats you gave that suggests that you are going to get folds nearly enough of the time. In particular, your sample looks pretty small to be able to have any reads on how they will respond to your squeeze.

That said, once you get a flop smashing your perceived range, I think you need to cbet it. The BTN's range is weak here since he overcalled twice. CO has a decent number of underpairs to this board, probably doesn't flat too many Ax hands preflop (as he isn't going to be happy about it going multiway) and isn't going to be thrilled with any KJs or QJs type hands giving him a weak pair +GS. I disagree with siebnacht, though - I don't think you can get away with a small bet, as you are never betting AK, AQ, or QQ+ small on this drawy board. A small bet looks like TT, Kx or A-rag that's trying to take it down cheaply.

Once he calls, however, I don't think you are getting any folds on the turn with your 3/4 pot shove (I'm assuming it was a shove, since we don't know the effective stack size). You just 3bet into 3 players and then cbet into 2 players on a flop that smashed your perceived range. Villain has to be very strong to call the flop cbet (which is why it is a good bluff), but once he does, I don't think you are getting a fold OTT nearly often enough.
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01-17-2013 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SCF
That said, once you get a flop smashing your perceived range, I think you need to cbet it. The BTN's range is weak here since he overcalled twice. CO has a decent number of underpairs to this board, probably doesn't flat too many Ax hands preflop (as he isn't going to be happy about it going multiway) and isn't going to be thrilled with any KJs or QJs type hands giving him a weak pair +GS. I disagree with siebnacht, though - I don't think you can get away with a small bet, as you are never betting AK, AQ, or QQ+ small on this drawy board. A small bet looks like TT, Kx or A-rag that's trying to take it down cheaply.
I don't think its a problem trying to rep a weak Ax or 2nd pair otf, bc the only way we can win otf is by bluffing out any weaker hands than these, bc anything stronger will at least call us down.
Or if we hit something obv. We will lose this pot the majority of the time anyway, bc one of them will have an Ax or better.
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01-17-2013 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by snowylee
Hi, I've just started playing poker again after a lengthy pause of 1.5 years (was never any good nor reached higher than NL50 a couple of times mind you) and I'm quite lost actually. Gonna have to start all over again, which I quite frankly don't mind anyway .

So here's the question, as the title implies I was playing some NL10 6max Zoom on PS when I got QQ from hijack. MP raised to $0.30 and I 3bet to $1.00. It was folded around to the BB who cold 4bet us to $3 and both MP and me folded. Both villains are complete unknowns as well. Was this too tight of a fold? In my mind it represents HUGE strength and the times it's something spazzy are too few. Am I wrong?
wp... it's just going to be KK+. Just forget about it and move on and find the passive fish you can valuetown.
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01-19-2013 , 10:20 PM
Another 'value bet or not' question. Villain is TAG reg.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $10.05
Hero (SB): $10.94
BB: $4.54
UTG: $16.51
MP: $10.10
CO: $10.95

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has K K

UTG raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.95, fold, UTG calls $0.65

Flop: ($2.00, 2 players) 3 J Q
Hero bets $1.05, UTG calls $1.05

Turn: ($4.10, 2 players) 9
Hero bets $2.15, UTG calls $2.15

River: ($8.40, 2 players) Q
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01-20-2013 , 06:12 AM
Ugly ugly river prob checking best.
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01-21-2013 , 12:37 PM
Villain 25/11/1.9 over 112 hands. Anybody play it different?

    Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, Rush, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BB: $56.65 (113.3 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $50.50 (101 bb)
    MP: $51.90 (103.8 bb)
    CO: $92.25 (184.5 bb)
    BTN: $75.15 (150.3 bb)
    SB: $70.15 (140.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K K
    Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

    Flop: ($4.50) J 8 2 (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3.50

    Turn: ($15) Q (3 players)
    SB checks, BB bets $7.65, Hero calls $7.65, SB folds

    River: ($30.30) 2 (2 players)
    BB bets $26.95, Hero folds

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    01-22-2013 , 03:34 PM
    Too thin otr vs 50/3 over 30 hands?

    Hero (Button) (€6.31)
    SB (€2)
    BB (€2.93)
    UTG (€2.01)
    MP (€3.91)
    CO (€2.29)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, Q
    1 fold, MP calls €0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets €0.08, 2 folds, MP calls €0.06

    Flop: (€0.19) 8, 10, J (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets €0.15, MP calls €0.15

    Turn: (€0.49) J (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets €0.30, MP calls €0.30

    River: (€1.09) 3 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets €0.40, MP raises to €1.08, Hero folds
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    01-22-2013 , 04:37 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MonkeyWanderer
    Villain 25/11/1.9 over 112 hands. Anybody play it different?

      Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, Rush, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BB: $56.65 (113.3 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $50.50 (101 bb)
      MP: $51.90 (103.8 bb)
      CO: $92.25 (184.5 bb)
      BTN: $75.15 (150.3 bb)
      SB: $70.15 (140.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with K K
      Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

      Flop: ($4.50) J 8 2 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3.50

      Turn: ($15) Q (3 players)
      SB checks, BB bets $7.65, Hero calls $7.65, SB folds

      River: ($30.30) 2 (2 players)
      BB bets $26.95, Hero folds

      I won't fold river. Pretty unlikely that your hand is beat imo. The only hand i see him having leading the turn is either QQ or QJ. In most cases i think he got simply hit the Q, bc i think he would raise all sets right otf due to his fishyness. Also it just makes no sense at all to play a set caught otf that way on the turn. I think the call ott is fine, bc of that. That way he will likely barrel the river again.
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      01-22-2013 , 07:54 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by siebenacht
      I won't fold river. Pretty unlikely that your hand is beat imo. The only hand i see him having leading the turn is either QQ or QJ. In most cases i think he got simply hit the Q, bc i think he would raise all sets right otf due to his fishyness. Also it just makes no sense at all to play a set caught otf that way on the turn. I think the call ott is fine, bc of that. That way he will likely barrel the river again.
      The possible straight is the tie breaker for me... fold.
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      01-22-2013 , 08:31 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by _Matt_
      Too thin otr vs 50/3 over 30 hands?

      Hero (Button) (€6.31)
      SB (€2)
      BB (€2.93)
      UTG (€2.01)
      MP (€3.91)
      CO (€2.29)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, Q
      1 fold, MP calls €0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets €0.08, 2 folds, MP calls €0.06

      Flop: (€0.19) 8, 10, J (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets €0.15, MP calls €0.15

      Turn: (€0.49) J (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets €0.30, MP calls €0.30

      River: (€1.09) 3 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets €0.40, MP raises to €1.08, Hero folds
      Look at it this way... in this spot against this guy, value betting QT is the same as value betting aces. So, I like it.
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      01-22-2013 , 10:33 PM
      like the bet w QT too
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      01-24-2013 , 04:35 PM
      Bigger otr maybe? 0.6?
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      01-26-2013 , 11:41 AM
      Villain seems like a reg 23/15/6 over 100 hands. Original opener was a nit. Should 3bet pre, flop and turn is standard apart from my sizing could be bigger. More interested in the river. Call/Raise?

        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15797311

        Hero (BTN): $28.88 (288.8 bb)
        SB: $18.91 (189.1 bb)
        BB: $32.76 (327.6 bb)
        UTG: $2.26 (22.6 bb)
        MP: $13.14 (131.4 bb)
        CO: $50.95 (509.5 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with J A
        2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, SB folds, BB calls $0.20

        Flop: ($0.95) 7 A T (3 players)
        BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.60, BB calls $0.60, CO folds

        Turn: ($2.15) 2 (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $1.30, BB raises to $3.60, Hero calls $2.30

        River: ($9.35) J (2 players)
        BB bets $4.45, Hero ?




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        01-28-2013 , 05:48 AM
        Pre is fine, turn is a fold. -> Baluga theorem.
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        01-28-2013 , 06:46 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Jever
        Pre is fine, turn is a fold. -> Baluga theorem.
        Noticed the nut redraw? You definitely have the right implied odds..
        Flatcall the river. Expect him to play AT, 77, TT, KQss and 98ss this way and sometimes A7s, A2s. Raising is a bad idea, his line is soo strong.
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        01-28-2013 , 08:29 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Jever
        Pre is fine, turn is a fold. -> Baluga theorem.
        we are still 250BB deep IP with a bunch of outs to the nuts and even our 2pair outs can still be good.

        I think a call has to be ok.

        Unless of course you are talking about a completely different hand in which case I apologize.
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        01-31-2013 , 08:49 PM
        Villain is 40/40 with a 37% 3bet over 47 hands. Looking for any critiques of this line. I thought about 4betting pf with the intention of calling a jam but thought I could get more money this way, even OOP.

        Full Tilt - $0.25 NL RUSH (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

        Hero (MP): $28.49
        CO: $43.96
        BTN: $26.07
        SB: $30.07
        BB: $4.00
        UTG: $20.80

        SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

        Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has J K

        fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, BTN raises to $2.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $1.75

        Flop: ($5.35, 2 players) 8 3 9
        Hero checks, BTN bets $3.00, Hero raises to $7.75, BTN raises to $23.57 and is all-in, Hero calls $15.82
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        02-01-2013 , 12:23 PM
        Hi guys!

        I just started out on zoom. Is my play good here?

        Have no stats on this NL5 player. Wow, was wondering those kind of overbetting-shove-bluffs are happening at Zoom NL5.

        Is it standart at NL5 Zoom to meet that kind of player I met?

        Thanks, TB1337

        Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2086437
        DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

        BTN: $10.36
        SB: $3.84
        BB: $11.82
        UTG: $5.94
        Hero (MP): $6.96
        CO: $5.00

        Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with A A
        1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, 3 folds

        Flop: ($0.37) 2 7 J (2 players)
        Hero bets $0.30, CO calls $0.30

        Turn: ($0.97) 8 (2 players)
        Hero bets $0.76, CO calls $0.76

        River: ($2.49) 6 (2 players)
        Hero checks, CO bets $3.79 all in, Hero calls $3.79

        Final Pot: $10.07
        Hero shows A A (a pair of Aces)
        CO shows K T (high card King)
        Hero wins $9.65
        (Rake: $0.42)
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        02-02-2013 , 02:46 AM
        I'd probably be marking you as a fish that cant fold. In a vacuum its a good call but you're gonna have to accept that his range is stronger than you on that board and fold a reasonable % of the time.
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        02-04-2013 , 08:49 PM
        This is my first time posting a HH so it probably isn't that interesting but I've got to start somewhere.

        I think against a reg this would have been an easy fold and against a fish it would have been an easy call as I have TPGK. Against this villain with stats of 29/4 (SLP?), I'm not so sure. I decided that it was a marginal spot and folded.


        Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

        CO: $2.10 (105 bb)
        MP: $2.06 (103 bb)
        SB: $2.34 (117 bb)
        BTN: $3.44 (172 bb)
        Hero (BB): $2.02 (101 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with Q J
        MP calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, BTN folds, SB completes, Hero checks

        Flop: ($0.08) J 7 4 (4 players)
        SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $0.08, 3 folds
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        02-05-2013 , 05:23 AM
        Once you check I think folding now is okay, since you have to continue playing the hand OOP and your equity is probably around 35%.
        The big mistake here is that you did not bet the flop!
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        02-05-2013 , 02:38 PM
        Okay thanks!
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        02-05-2013 , 06:20 PM
        BB is a 17/14 nit that 3bets 6% from BB. I think flop is a way ahead/way behind situation so I check back, he may still bet river as a bluff, but I don't see him shoving river with worse, am I right?
          Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

          MP: $9.04 (180.8 bb)
          CO: $6.08 (121.6 bb)
          Hero (BTN): $5.07 (101.4 bb)
          SB: $3.27 (65.4 bb)
          BB: $5 (100 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
          MP folds, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.24, SB folds, BB raises to $0.85, CO folds, Hero calls $0.61

          Flop: ($1.77) 8 6 A (2 players)
          BB checks, Hero checks

          Turn: ($1.77) Q (2 players)
          BB bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25

          River: ($4.27) A (2 players)
          BB bets $2.90 and is all-in, Hero ???
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          02-07-2013 , 12:26 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by MoWeeNo
          Noticed the nut redraw? You definitely have the right implied odds..
          Flatcall the river. Expect him to play AT, 77, TT, KQss and 98ss this way and sometimes A7s, A2s. Raising is a bad idea, his line is soo strong.
          Yeah, didn't notice. Also apologize to qazikm. And OP.
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