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10-31-2018 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Yeah. Don't fold a set there, as villain has some 2prs and random stuff you beat, as well as better hands. Please post actual suits (on the board, and in your hand) and stack sizes, when making HH threads though. If you don't post full info, responses will be just as half-assed.
Thanks x2
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11-02-2018 , 11:34 AM
How do people handle the EP limp---> large 3b, Ive been folding to it a ton even with like JJ and AQ, cause it use to be the line fish took with AA KK QQ

It seems to be happening more than just those hands though and I get closer and closer to calling before I say Not Today Satan. Has the meta changed?
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11-03-2018 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by younguns87
How do people handle the EP limp---> large 3b, Ive been folding to it a ton even with like JJ and AQ, cause it use to be the line fish took with AA KK QQ

It seems to be happening more than just those hands though and I get closer and closer to calling before I say Not Today Satan. Has the meta changed?
Yeah it is getting more common today/ I have used this line myself.
Today someone limped then 3b shoved with 33 (WTF??). I called AK and lost lol

Mostly AA, KK, QQ, AK... I have had a few AQ do this to me.
33 today etc.
I only do it with strong prem hands myself.

For me mostly it is an easy fold because most of the time my opening is behind their range.
As I play pretty deep, I call and set mine with pockets including JJ.
Need nice stacks for this.

If I have AK... I run some quick profiling and calcs before just calling or shoving to the 3b.

Hands like AJ etc I generally fold unless the V's 3b sizing was awful.

Also note which players do this and note for future hands.
I note all the limpers that limp/call and limp/fold so I can exploit both types better

Last edited by bigreddog; 11-03-2018 at 05:50 AM. Reason: add last line
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11-05-2018 , 10:11 AM
Is it ok to go all-in here? Villain is an aggressive Reg.
PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 102.4 BB (VPIP: 32.43, PFR: 27.03, 3Bet Preflop: 21.43, Hands: 38)
CO: 123.6 BB (VPIP: 29.03, PFR: 22.58, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 63)
Hero (BTN): 118.2 BB
SB: 123 BB (VPIP: 21.95, PFR: 7.32, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 41)
BB: 115.6 BB (VPIP: 21.65, PFR: 15.46, 3Bet Preflop: 3.49, Hands: 298)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K Q

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.4 BB, 2 players) T J 3
CO checks, Hero bets 9.4 BB, CO raises to 22 BB, Hero raises to 63.8 BB, CO raises to 114.6 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 45.4 BB and is all-in

Turn: (237.8 BB, 2 players) 2

River: (237.8 BB, 2 players) 3
Players agreed to run it twice.

Turn #2: (237.8 BB, 2 players) 6

River #2: (237.8 BB, 2 players) T
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11-07-2018 , 12:57 PM
When you 3-bet the flop, are you ever expecting villain to fold? You've probably got less than 40% equity vs his stack-off range.
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11-15-2018 , 01:07 PM
Is there any way to convert hands from 888 other than putting them into a hand replayer on a third party site? I'm using PT4 and neither that PT4 version or the direct hh works
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11-18-2018 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
When you 3-bet the flop, are you ever expecting villain to fold? You've probably got less than 40% equity vs his stack-off range.
I don't think I've ever seen someone fold a postflop raise in 2NL and 5NL, so I wasn't expecting him to fold.
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11-20-2018 , 10:40 AM
So I have started to call more raises from the BB vs BTN/SB.

But at the same time, I find myself just check folding hands with little to no equity (no backdoor draws/GS) versus a continuation bet.

e.g.
A6o on K72
JTo on A22 type boards

Am I doing this right? Defend the BB with a wide range but check fold in the above mentioned spots where we have very little equity?
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11-20-2018 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Vancouver
So I have started to call more raises from the BB vs BTN/SB.

But at the same time, I find myself just check folding hands with little to no equity (no backdoor draws/GS) versus a continuation bet.

e.g.
A6o on K72
JTo on A22 type boards

Am I doing this right? Defend the BB with a wide range but check fold in the above mentioned spots where we have very little equity?
If we have very little equity, we have very little point in continuing. So yeah, fold in spots like those.

Widening your defending ranges versus BTN and SB opens can be a good thing. But bear in mind that you should (if you play like many players in the micros) also be widening your 3-betting ranges versus BTN and SB opens.

Take a look at Snowie's Preflop Advisor. That gives an indication of just how wide one can three-bet or call in the BB vs SB or BTN opens. You probably don't want to work out a full mixed strategy for those spots, but pay attention to which hands Snowie 3-bets with and how often, and think about why those hands and not others.
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11-20-2018 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Vancouver
Am I doing this right? Defend the BB with a wide range but check fold in the above mentioned spots where we have very little equity?
Yes, but A6o and JTo should rarely be defends, unless villain opened small. (They won't break even vs 3x).
The point is, when you get a bargain price pre-flop ("sick pot odds"), you don't have to win all that often post-flop to get a return on your investment. (Sometimes you only need to win about 22% of the time). This means that you can "overfold" (at greater than MDF numbers) if you flop a hand with no equity.
When you call with a wide and weak range, because the pot lays a great price, you should go to the flop on the understanding that
a) Villain will have a range advantage, and be in position.
b) You are still expecting to lose the hand the majority of the time.

You just need to win it often enough (which might only be 25% of the time) for calling pre to be better than folding pre and losing a whole BB every time.
Suited hands like 75s will often be better calls in the BB than hands like A6o. The latter doesn't realize equity well and tends to suffer from reverse implied odds, so keep looking at those Snowie charts and only defend with hands that are definitely +EV.
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11-22-2018 , 07:13 PM
What do you do when you have ace-high facing min-bets across multiple streets? It seems to me that it often happens when villain has a weak pair that's not happy about an overcard and is block betting.

For example:

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 144 BB
SB: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BB: 95 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG: 903.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 104.5 BB
CO: 113.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (8.5 BB, 2 players) 9 5 K
MP bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Turn: (12.5 BB, 2 players) 5
MP bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

River: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 7
MP bets 3 BB Hero ?

I would normally be happy to check down AQ here, but I'm not sure how often villain shows up with worse ace-high here. Fold, call or raise?
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11-22-2018 , 08:13 PM
Your calling range here is going to be pretty narrow, despite small sizing by V across 3 streets. The main reason for it is that your initial range button calling HJ open should be pretty narrow.

Snowie preflop advisor has it at 47 combos.

Assuming now x/raises your range should narrow:
Flop: 38 combos
Turn: 32 combos
River: 27 c
The no x/r simplifying assumption is a bit of a problem with some sets in your range. With that said you don’t likely have many pairs in your range.

That’s without card removal. When you account for removal your have mid teen number or combos.

Last edited by GusMcrae; 11-22-2018 at 08:28 PM.
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11-22-2018 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by blitztime
Fold, call or raise?
Be glad he gave you a cheap price to outdraw him on the flop and turn, and then just fold to the river bet. You can raise flushes and the nut flush blocker on the river, but should almost never hero-call with ace high at those stakes. It would be OK to call with AQ if he minbet the river, but giving him 3bb is too charitable imo.
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12-14-2018 , 08:26 PM
2 players left in 5.50$ 6-max turbo
Villain is BB with 18BB
Hero (13BB) is SB with JJ

I think open-limping is the best option because
1-You keep his weakest hands in the pot that you dominate heavily and get to extract some value from them that you otherwise wouldnt if they hit a small pair or a draw.
2-Villain may put us on a weak range and shove wide.
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12-14-2018 , 11:29 PM
You are playing for first prize at this point, so ICM doesn't matter any more. EV is EV.

Memorize the shove-or-fold tables. playing by them is unexploitable.

If you are deviating them, you had damn well have identified a specific error your opponent is making consistently that the deviation exploits.
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12-15-2018 , 07:21 PM
I usually jam the jacks (along with all kinds of other stuff including all smaller pairs), but limp AA and KK. Raise-calling jacks is also an option. You should have some reads on your opponent by that point, so if you think he'll shove very wide, then limping your big hands is fine.
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12-27-2018 , 10:59 PM
River spot. I think I make a mistake shoving here; although I obviously have the best hand a lot of the time, I don't think villain has enough worse hands to call with. Is checking back this river therefore a reasonable line?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 188 BB
BB: 63 BB
UTG: 109.5 BB (VPIP: 14.00, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 52)
MP: 180 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 42 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 4 7 9
MP checks, Hero bets 13.5 BB, MP calls 13.5 BB

Turn: (46.5 BB, 2 players) 5
MP checks, Hero bets 20 BB, MP calls 20 BB

River: (86.5 BB, 2 players) 3
MP checks, Hero bets 57.5 BB and is all-in, MP calls 57.5 BB

Hero shows J J (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 81%, Flop 27%, Turn 18%)
MP shows 7 9 (Two Pair, Nines and Sevens)
(Pre 19%, Flop 73%, Turn 82%)
MP wins 194.5 BB
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12-28-2018 , 12:21 PM
What matters is not whether you have the best hand a lot of the time, but instead whether you have the best hand more than half the time when you get called.

Personally, I don't think a medium pair is worth three streets of value on a low board.
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12-28-2018 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
What matters is not whether you have the best hand a lot of the time, but instead whether you have the best hand more than half the time when you get called.

Personally, I don't think a medium pair is worth three streets of value on a low board.
You mean overpair??

Super standard hand imo.
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12-28-2018 , 12:54 PM
A medium overpair.

It's super standard for losing big on the river.
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12-28-2018 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
What matters is not whether you have the best hand a lot of the time, but instead whether you have the best hand more than half the time when you get called.

Personally, I don't think a medium pair is worth three streets of value on a low board.
Okay, thanks. So I'm assuming you would prefer to go for two streets of value and then just check back the river back on this particular board.
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12-28-2018 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
A medium overpair.

It's super standard for losing big on the river.
You're thinking "board is scary" instead of "which hands can he have?"

You lose to 77 and 99 only which very likely raise flop or turn more often than not. Shove and stack 88, TT, T9s, A9s, not that hard.
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12-28-2018 , 05:43 PM
The JJ hand looks pretty thin (I wouldn't criticize a check back), but I think it's a jam most of the time. (And I'd be pretty pissed off that villain not only called the 3-bet with 97s, but he didn't raise post-flop).
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12-29-2018 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mrno1324
You're thinking "board is scary" instead of "which hands can he have?"

You lose to 77 and 99 only which very likely raise flop or turn more often than not. Shove and stack 88, TT, T9s, A9s, not that hard.
I'm thinking the villain has all the sets, and we don't have any of them, so yeah, the board is "scary."

What do we beat that calls a third barrel? A9s? TT?
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12-29-2018 , 02:53 PM
if you have all sets in villain's spot there are more important things about your strategy you need to reconsider before worrying about thin value river spots.
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