playing on ignition so HHs are weird. its been awhile since I played online so I haven't looked up how to do the conversions proper yet. looking for some thoughts on this one, I think I made the right play but just want to see what the consensus is... Call...Fold...Raise? and why?

Hero is MP (38.93) 5d 6d
BU (24.65)
SB(7.36)


utg folds, hero .75, CO folds, BU calls, SB calls , BB folds

Flop: 7s9d4d (pot=2.50)

SB checks, Hero 1.62, BU calls, SB folds

Turn: 7s9d4dQh (pot=5.74)

Hero bets 2.96, BU raises to 9.15, Hero ??

Its 6.19 to call with 17.85 in pot and 13.13 effective.

no reads on player really, hes been in a few pots but no showdowns. a few b/f and one x/r that he got a fold are the only memorable spots. seems competent and not limping a lot.

fold pre
x flop
idk about turn ap, call/ship

what about 76s,87s??98s? why fold pre?


are we x/r flop? x/c?

call/ship turn? what does that even mean? lol I think our fold equity is about 0 so why would we 3b jam turn?

these mid/small scs don't really make money pre unless you have fish in the blinds
98s+ should be ok from hj readless

I would x/c flop, wait for good turns and then start putting money in
if you do decide to cb, you should prob bet small

call or ship turn, idk what's better. in theory calling should be superior but then you have to play rivers very well. shipping isn't terrible or anything , even if he literally never folds it's not massively -ev, you just need him to fold 20% or smth to break even (not accounting for rake)

- makes sense, I mean it is ignition so even the full stack regs have fish tendencies but I get what your saying.

- x/c seems bad when the population folds to cbet or double barrel soo often. I think my DB shows like 65% or something. mainly because their CC range IP is really high.

-I folded turn. simply because I think hes going to have our FD blocked or absolutely crushed sometimes (T7dd, AQdd, etc.) factor that in with my 0 showdown value and I thought folding was best in the moment. in hindsight, I think bet flop, x/c turn is prob. best way to realize our equity with hand as played but overall I should fold pre. after doing some review of population ranges with HM2 its just too weak to be opening when villains flat such a wide range of suited hands from K4s to 74s and everything in between.

Dont you have direct pot odds to call if you think you have 15 outs here ?
He gives you 2.9/1 and you hit ~30% on the river. I would call but I dont know if it's actually the right thing to do.

Opening small SCs should be fine on ignition, its not a killer pool.

I'm overbetting the turn after he just calls flop. Q is a better card for us and we have enough equity to do whatever we want.

if he never has a bigger FD or a blocker to our straight draw. which I think he has a bigger FD a decent amount. ill know for sure tonight when I download the hands as ignition allows you to see all hole cards in HHs.

I like that line..i have been doing some overbetting on specific turn textures and rivers. how much though is the question..

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Get money in. This is the flop you wanted. If you check it should be to check raise but this flop gets checked through a lot so I would Cb. No need to be balanced on ignition at this stakes.

ill give it a shot..ive been doing 2x pot or if the pot is really small (10bb or less) 3x pot vs some players. I get more folds than id like but then again that's the plan sometimes.

Reviewed this hand in HM2 yesterday after download the hand histories from ignition.Villain had pocket 4s in this hand. So I did have the right price to call. My reason for folding was I thought his range was going to have bigger FDs,pair+FD or SD+FD. It's a very dynamic board so I included some of those in his range and ultimately decided to let it go. I think next time I'm going to either plan to overbet turn or x flop and plan accordingly

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when you actually understand why you should be checking here mostly…your game will improve a lot

Care to enlighten me some? Are we checking to x/r? Are we ever x/c?

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We check flop because we r OOP

Villain has a set or is bluffing he is very polarized

AP Shove turn

NEVER ever fold this again

So it's ok to call if opponent has T8dd? That would be a bluff

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x flop

As played with betting flop bet a bigger sizing on the turn.

As played with smaller sizing and getting raised idk. I would call but jamming isn't that much worse of an option.

Idk why everyone wants to check this flop. It's a srp with one of our highest equity hands. This is a spot to bet.

1. we are 3 way in a sandwich between SB and BTN. That is in General a very strong reason to check (unless both of them are confirmed whales) because their ranges should be quite strongish.

2. We are out of position on a 974tt Flop. Pretty much whatever we have, once we get raised... we are f*** (yeah 99 is the exception here).

3. even this is one of our "highest equity Hands" there is only one card we really want to see when bloating the pot. a 3 . you dont want to see an 8 and then get raised on. you dont want to see a diamond and then get raised on. and you dont want to see a Q, double barrel and get raised...

When you mostly x Range in that spot you can pretty much do whatever floats your boat. x/c , x/r . decide when you are to act because a lot of times they will tell you what they have. but when you bet most of what you consider to be the strong part of your range here, then you cant really x/r (IMO). without any read i prefer XC Flop.

Great explanation! Now I completely understand. My cbet is repping basically overpairs and draws which completely explains why he flatted bottom set as well. (That was my next question, why do you think villain flat flop and bomb turn, but I think I'm answering that rn) my range doesnt his this texture that hard and if he raises he only gets action from combo draws, bigger sets and overpairs ( although I'm not convinced I would call a hefty flop raise with say TT-QQ from this player type who seems competent with his preflop and seems to be able to size postflop well so far up to this hand)

I dont know that I would x/r this hand now, I think Td8d,Ad7d and sets would be better served as x/r with 56dd and 2overs with fd and pairs under 9 that arent a set would be x/c. Leave me to cbet my air, gutters with no diamond, and TT+. That range feels like I would have to b/f alot, how would you adjust the cbet range?

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People who Play a lot of soft live cash games are used to still cbet alot even in multiway pots because Villain flats pre with very wide ranges. postflop they generally overplay value, Station too much and underbluff. thats why we bet a lot for value. Online Flatting ranges are much more narrow so once the preflop raise is OOP or 3 way+ he should do a lot of checking because his range is simply not strong enough to cb wide on most Flops.

It might also have something to do with the mindset of a live Player. they used to Play tight and when having a good Hand, they want to get Paid off...

But the reality is (especially online) you are mostly Fighting for the blinds. you raise, trying to win 1.5 bb … thats a big win. most Hands do not have that expected value. so once you get called, you are not really the big favorite any more (except when the BB calls who gets in the pot for a Discount) . At this Point you should just try to protect your range and your share of the pot.

when facing a IP flat and a Blind defend i do range X almost all Flops against most villains simply because they have very terrible Flop Float / Turn Probe strategies.

when i bet that flop and BTN calls i dont know anything About his Hand. but when i check i force him to make a decision and basically develope a strategy (which he probably doesnt have) He has to choose between betting, checking. what size etc...

When i CB with TP , btn folds and SB x/r i dont really know where i am at. but when it gets checked, SB has to decide if he wants to slowplay or probe. most Players cant Control their frequencies here. they either probe bluff too much or slowplay not enough strong Hands to defend vs a delayed cb or just probe Nothing except 2 pair + which will make it easy to doge some bullets.

First part is somewhat true, but not really because alot of live pots are 4-way plus especially if theres a straddle. You cbet range has to be balanced enough that your not just blind firing barrels praying for folds. I see guys like that alot and they are usually pumped up scooping pots or at the atm every hour.

Second part is true. I cant count how many times I've gotten smashed by a 6 outer or less because "I haven't been folding for an hour to get a hand and just fold it to you now" as they put 60bbs in with AQ on 993 vs my 10s or QQ on A73 vs my AK.

Third part makes sense, I did an exercise awhile back where I dropped down 2 levels which was 25nl at the time, opened 2 tables and covered my holecards with post it notes on my monitor. Played an entire session like that. Biggest things I learned? Taking advantage of position and how a perceived range hit a flop texture. If you've never done it, drop down in stakes and give it a shot. First thing you'll notice is how you open 0% from EP lol

4,5 and 6 are good ways to do exactly what you said "protect your range". It makes me think I should check some of my overpairs that have a diamond to strengthen my checking range in order to cut down on some of the b/f I would be doing.

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from what i understand, when you cbet here with overpairs you would rather have a Diamond in your Hand because the pots get larger and you kinda want to have a Diamond to protect yourself. cb = larger pots ; check = smaller pots. having a Diamond on board with a Diamond draw gives you more equity than not having a Diamond. so rather have more equity in big pots than in small pots. best Hands to cb here are mostly Hands that want to built a pot. 2p + and nut draws

it makes sense but if we cbet tt-AA with a diamond and check all our non-diamond overpairs then were in for some tough turn spots when it checks through. were going to be in a spot where AA are going to be bluff catchers basically. im actually going to run it in GTO+ later to see what it says, im curious to see what it says to do with check, 1/3 pot,3/4 pot as the options. not to say I will play that way lol but it would be nice to know in a vaccum.