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turn bet vs. reg? turn bet vs. reg?

11-19-2017 , 06:46 AM
Hi, villain is average regular. Do you bet on the turn? How many? Why? what is your play vs. raise? what is important in the spot? thanks

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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Hero (SB): $38.20 (382 bb)
BB: $10.71 (107.1 bb)
UTG: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
MP: $11.22 (112.2 bb)
CO: $14.02 (140.2 bb)
BTN: $2.90 (29 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 5
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.40) 3 5 Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.27, Hero raises to $1.05, BB calls $0.78

Turn: ($2.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero ???
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11-19-2017 , 07:21 AM
Raise at least 4x in sb against bb, obviously I wouldn't want to go 55 cheaply against a competent player on my left. Flop was an obvious cbet, c/r looks too strong. Pray villian had Qx with a club, checking here will make villian think u scare of flush and try overbet u mlre
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11-19-2017 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 3K_TOM17
Raise at least 4x in sb against bb, obviously I wouldn't want to go 55 cheaply against a competent player on my left. Flop was an obvious cbet, c/r looks too strong. Pray villian had Qx with a club, checking here will make villian think u scare of flush and try overbet u mlre
we have a strong hand and we want to create big pot. Really is not x/r correct move?
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11-19-2017 , 10:14 AM
Stop trying to be so tricky. Unless you're sure he will bet due to some specifc read then there is no need to x/r as the pfr. Raise 3x pre and bet bet bet unless river brings a 4 flush to the board. He has a lot of floats here and not that much at all that can call a x/r.

AP When he calls the x/r he pretty much has Qx, a second pair to the board (less likely) or a FD, nothing else make sense. I'd bet turn for half pot and x river, he will x back a queen. If he raises turn or bombs river you probably have to fold.

Last edited by BackdoorQuadsDraw; 11-19-2017 at 10:24 AM.
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11-19-2017 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TK1991
we have a strong hand and we want to create big pot. Really is not x/r correct move?
This should be played as a raise to 3-4x not a min raise preflop and then just keep hammering that bet button. A minraise is accomplishing nothing. He is probably calling any 2 cards and now you are out of position with a hand that you're not going to love 87% of the time.

You want to keep him guessing. When you check-raise the flop you are giving him way too much information about your hand strength. You could be cbetting with anything and so he has to call you a lot but a check-raise he can get away from unless he has a big hand or big draw.

As played, I think we have to bet the turn. He has a lot of hands that we are ahead of but that have equity because of the 3 clubs on the board. We can't let him realize that for free. But if he raises I am probably letting it go unless getting the odds to draw to a boat.
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11-19-2017 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TK1991
we have a strong hand and we want to create big pot. Really is not x/r correct move?
x/r is overrated, unless you're against aggro fish a good move. Against a reg it will fold out most of his holding he is only going to continue with fd n high queen. I like the bet all the way line
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11-19-2017 , 01:10 PM
If I am preflop raiser standard play is cbet. X/R is standard for situation if Iam cold caller oop for example: villain opens from CO and I cold call from BB.

Have I undestood it?
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11-19-2017 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TK1991
we have a strong hand and we want to create big pot. Really is not x/r correct move?
The flop has a FD but is otherwise pretty dry. You should be betting here quite frequently; and if you are not betting your sets, then what value hands are you betting here? If you want to slowplay you should have a reason to do so (a read that villain will spew when checked to).

2x pre is also a little to low. I like 2.5x - 3x.
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11-19-2017 , 02:10 PM
Not a big fan of minraise PF BvB. I always do 3x.

I would c-bet flop but I don't think c/r'aising is as bad as everyone's getting at. We have range advantage OTF but it's not huge. We're also OOP, so we probably do want to check somewhat often regardless. I'm not sure with what frequency we want to bet our nutted hands + draws vs. c/r'aising them instead, but I really don't think we can just say that c/r'aising is straight up bad.

I'm betting about 2/3 PSB OTT as played. I would think that b/f vs. b/c depends on how many flush draws you c/r. This probably should be a call in theory but at 10NL a turn shove in this spot usually means they're nutted and I'm fine with giving up against the average reg.
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11-19-2017 , 02:52 PM
Without a club you kinda have to bet, villain still can call Qx & probably has as much Qx as flush draws, so i would bet probably 2/3 bet ott vs that range & call a small raise if given correct odds to boat up n fold if villain let's say shoved.
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11-19-2017 , 04:04 PM
Ton of regs auto stab in SB vs BB spots when checked to so idk why everyone is hating the check. Tough to say whether you should xr or xc. SB vs BB tends to be a theoretical cluster****.
In practice after checking I'd probably either xr or xc and lead a lot of turns as I hate letting piece of **** nitregs see rivers for cheap.
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11-21-2017 , 05:30 AM
Hero bet
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11-21-2017 , 09:35 AM
2x sizing preflop is fine if the game had no rake, with smaller sizing you’re inviting more calls which means more pots will be raked that you could’ve just won preflop. Raise bigger.

OTF betting and check raising are fine. Vs tough regs especially you should mix it up more so it’s harder to predict.

OTT we can bet small or check and both are fine as well, betting big is the worst mistake because if we do bet we want to get called by worse. If we get raised I am folding or calling depending on the odds, we have a decent chance to hit the FH and sometimes he checks back river and we are just winning.
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