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12-17-2018 , 11:36 PM

BlackCisma

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Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 156

Well, I have story with this villian reg (1k hands) and we bully each other every time that is possible, 3betting our OR or checkraising flops. And I want to ask to you wich is the line that I should to take in this spot (I 3bet from SB), I thought shove with my TT, sounds some crazy but look his stats of 4bet

VILLIAN STATS:
steal% 27
3bet: Fold 45% Call 45% 4bet 9%
4bet range (9.1%) a lot of bluffs

I want to read you

Wich line would you took?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

CO: $2.00 (100 bb)
BTN: $2.00 (100 bb)
Hero (SB): $2.16 (108 bb)
BB: $0.82 (41 bb)
UTG: $0.76 (38 bb)
MP: $2.52 (126 bb)

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has T

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.05, Hero raises to $0.18, fold, BTN raises to $0.50, Hero folds

Results: $0.38 pot ($0.00 rake)

BTN wins $0.38

Last edited by BlackCisma; 12-17-2018 at 11:37 PM. Reason: ortography

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12-17-2018 , 11:40 PM

Flpmethntsdlr

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Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 3,918

Hand is fine. I might shove pre at some frequency, but, folding is normal especially given Vs 4b size.

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12-18-2018 , 03:14 AM

Ojune

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Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 5,171

4bet range is a function of his opening range so no he doesn't have a lot of bluffs if he steals only 27%

I'd shove over the 4bet usually or call against a nitty dude, folding a hand this strong is a big exploit

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12-18-2018 , 05:02 AM

ChipsNcrisps

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Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 4,946

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Originally Posted by Ojune

folding a hand this strong is a big exploit

this, but its likely a correct explo at this stake

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12-18-2018 , 05:28 AM

MMSS

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 4,679

Unless you have evidence otherwise your history with villain is most likely in your own head and I wouldn't put too much thought into it.

I think I call the 4b.

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12-18-2018 , 09:59 AM

Flpmethntsdlr

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With the rake so high, isn't flatting 4bs, especially OOP, going to be slightly losing? Unless ofc we strengthen our range by putting some AA in it?

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12-18-2018 , 10:05 AM

ChipsNcrisps

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Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 4,946

I flat AA at a high frequency vs the 4bet unless V is unknown

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12-18-2018 , 10:11 AM

Flpmethntsdlr

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SB v BTN or anywhere HU?

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12-18-2018 , 10:25 AM

Paraquat

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Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 61

Flatting AA is decent option. About TT - If I know villain has few combos he will play as 4bet/fold, I shove. But shoving into 11/10/3 guy is just putting head under KK/AA. Equity vs range + folding equity = +EV decision. Actually, if villain plays some kind of GTO balanced 4bet bluffs even shoving with 22 is +EV, but is gonna be exploitable as hell even on low stakes. + You don't 3bet it there, but I just wanted to show it ^^

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12-18-2018 , 12:01 PM

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ArtyMcFly

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 13,256

Without reads, I tend to flat here. With your reads, I like 5-betting.

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12-19-2018 , 12:32 AM

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BlackCisma

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 156

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

Without reads, I tend to flat here. With your reads, I like 5-betting.

Ok McFly...if I would take the line of the 5bet which must to be the size of this, taking account the size of the 4bet of the villian?

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12-19-2018 , 12:49 AM

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WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps

I flat AA at a high frequency vs the 4bet unless V is unknown

Why? You want to get get coolered instead of cooler him?

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12-19-2018 , 12:50 AM

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WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by Paraquat

Flatting AA is decent option.

I don't understand this. Most flops look horrible when all you have is AA OOP.

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12-19-2018 , 07:51 AM

#14

bearer

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Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,688

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

I don't understand this. Most flops look horrible when all you have is AA OOP.

Y'all overrate this OOP thing. OOP is not going to stop AA looking pretty with that SPR.

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12-19-2018 , 01:47 PM

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ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by BlackCisma

Ok McFly...if I would take the line of the 5bet which must to be the size of this, taking account the size of the 4bet of the villian?

No one else does this - they just shove - but I make min-5-bets with my stack-off range. i.e. I just click it back, to give villain the chance to make a bad shove or a bad call.
In this hand history, my min 5-bet (with QQ+/AK, sometimes JJ or TT) would be to 82c. It looks really weird to make a 5-bet and still have more than 50bb behind, but it's caused my opponents to 6-bet jam AQ/AJ or 99 when they have no fold equity.

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