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12-12-2018 , 01:38 AM

DooDooPoker

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Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
CO ($14.16) [VPIP: 26.6% | PFR: 17% | AGG: 30.3% | 3-Bet: 8.3% | Hands: 1158]
HERO ($14.16) [VPIP: 26.8% | PFR: 22.4% | AGG: 31.9% | 3-Bet: 11% | Hands: 40550]
SB ($12.07) [VPIP: 23.5% | PFR: 17.5% | AGG: 33.5% | 3-Bet: 5.8% | Hands: 2180]
BB ($10) [VPIP: 16.4% | PFR: 11.1% | AGG: 37.8% | 3-Bet: 6.5% | Hands: 197]

Dealt to Hero: K

CO Raises To $0.28, HERO Raises To $0.90, SB Folds, BB Folds, CO Calls $0.62

Hero SPR on Flop: [6.8 effective]
Flop ($1.95): 6

CO Checks, HERO Bets $0.60 (Rem. Stack: 12.66), CO Calls $0.60 (Rem. Stack: 12.66)

Turn ($3.15): 6

CO Checks, HERO Bets $2.25 (Rem. Stack: 10.41), CO Calls $2.25 (Rem. Stack: 10.41)

River ($7.65): 6

CO Checks, HERO Bets $10.41 (allin)

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12-12-2018 , 03:57 AM

YouBetIcall

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it's ok

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12-12-2018 , 04:08 AM

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if you only bluff here with KQs/KJs/QJs
I guess you bluff the combos that block AQ, rather than AJs
and I think you don't want to block spades

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12-12-2018 , 04:16 AM

yasuo

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prefer hands that block the AcXc/AdXd combos

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12-12-2018 , 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ionutd

if you only bluff here with KQs/KJs/QJs
I guess you bluff the combos that block AQ, rather than AJs
and I think you don't want to block spades

This.

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12-12-2018 , 06:14 AM

ChipsNcrisps

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dislike, we block spades which sucks, AJo (fold pre), AKo (4b pre).

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12-12-2018 , 07:35 AM

YouBetIcall

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you guys think he x/c turn with Kxs or Jxs vs this sizing?

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12-12-2018 , 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by YouBetIcall

you guys think he x/c turn with Kxs or Jxs vs this sizing?

In practice yes.

I don't hate it because I think bombing the river gets a lot of folds, but given so much of our range gets to the river like this I think we can choose the combos that unblock spades.

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12-12-2018 , 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps

dislike, we block spades which sucks, AJo (fold pre), AKo (4b pre).

Yeah I should just give up OTR. What’s the ideal triple barrel bluff combo here?

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12-12-2018 , 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ionutd

if you only bluff here with KQs/KJs/QJs
I guess you bluff the combos that block AQ, rather than AJs
and I think you don't want to block spades

Could you explain it more detailed? Don't get it...sorry.

1st part - we want to bet with K,Q because he call 3b oop with KQ, AQ, so he has lower quantity of this hands?

2nd part - wy cb F with 2 overs+BDFD is bad? What's the difference between spades and e.g. daimonds?

If he's calling range pf is eg 88-QQ, AQ, KQ what overcards not matched to board you cb?

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12-12-2018 , 09:37 AM

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QJhh

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12-12-2018 , 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps

QJhh

Oh okay so we don't to block any backdoor draws.

I thought I wasn't supposed to bluff with zero equity hands

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12-12-2018 , 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Oh okay so we don't to block any backdoor draws.

I thought I wasn't supposed to bluff with zero equity hands

just sometimes...

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12-12-2018 , 11:50 AM

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What's our value range we play like this? Just 3 combos of AA and 2 ATs two pairs? So we should have only like.2 or 3 bluff combos here?

Last edited by kvnd; 12-12-2018 at 11:59 AM.

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12-12-2018 , 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kvnd

What's our value range we play like this? Just 3 combos of AA and up to 9 Axs two pairs? So we should have a good amount of bluff combos here, like up to 6?

we're allowed 35-36% bluffs
so like 4 given your range

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12-12-2018 , 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RakebackPro

I am an advocate for a good three barrel. Opposition likely has to be fairly nutted to call if you execute the bets well.

i need to learn how to execute bets well

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12-12-2018 , 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kvnd

What's our value range we play like this? Just 3 combos of AA and 2 ATs two pairs? So we should have only like.2 or 3 bluff combos here?

AK seems like an obvious one.

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12-12-2018 , 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

AK seems like an obvious one.

Don't know if that's a good bet OTF

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12-12-2018 , 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikk

Don't know if that's a good bet OTF

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seems like a fine one

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12-12-2018 , 03:16 PM

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I think it's fine, but I'm not a fan of the small trendy 3-bet pot c-bet if the plan is to double barrel in position. If you bet a little larger on those junk flops and barrel the turn, you get Ax to fold out a much larger % of the time (at higher stakes, so I assume here it would be the same).

Ideally you don't want to block spades, but it's still ok to fire here. AQ/AJ is going to be in a tough spot, along with other stubborn pairs 99/JJ (flatted QQ).

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12-12-2018 , 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps

seems like a fine one

Im checking back all my AK without backdoors here. What % of your range do you think you cbet here?

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12-12-2018 , 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy

I know solvers like the 1/3 bet but I don't know if it's the best for this situation.
Yeah I wanted to put his Axs (mainly A3s/A5s/AJs/AQs) in a tough spot.

Guy snapped me off with A

GG!

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12-12-2018 , 06:30 PM

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This isn’t intuitive but it is hard to have many bluffs here on the turn - at least with my 4! From button vs cutoff range. In those spots, I tend to check nearly my entire range. Which is of course a weird dynamic to go from range betting to range checking.

Unfortunatly, the only natural bluffs on this board i have on the turn are 5s4s - KsJs, and KsQs. I guess I could also bluff with my 3 combos of 56ss but I don’t l love turning second pair into as bluff.

I think I might only turn bet with:
Ac4c
Ad2d
5s4s
KsJs
KsQs

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12-12-2018 , 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

I know solvers like the 1/3 bet but I don't know if it's the best for this situation.
Yeah I wanted to put his Axs (mainly A3s/A5s/AJs/AQs) in a tough spot.

Guy snapped me off with A

GG!

Yeah, the problem with solvers is it's obviously solving versus someone who is not being exploited. And at micros, you should be primarily exploiting your opponents bad plays, which are numerous at these stakes. I think you should look to understand the solvers and GTO play in general, but knowing when not to apply it is the ideal. I think understanding GTO in general is really helpful for understanding when to bluff and snap off bluffs for example. But these bet sizing things are just wrong overall imho (for these stakes).

Good run out for that guy.

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