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08-01-2021 , 07:56 PM
Bovada / Ignition, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 5 players
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Hero (UTG): $50.00 (100 bb)
Seat 4 (CO): $47.64 (95 bb)
Seat 6 (BU): $56.21 (112 bb)
Seat 1 (SB): $93.93 (188 bb)
Seat 2 (BB): $50.20 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero (Hero) is UTG with 5 5
Hero (UTG) raises to $1.25, 3 players fold, Seat 2 (BB) calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) J 2 9 (2 players)
Seat 2 (BB) checks, Hero (UTG) bets $1.97, Seat 2 (BB) calls $1.97

Turn: ($6.69) K (2 players)
Seat 2 (BB) checks, Hero (UTG) bets $7.86, Seat 2 (BB) calls $7.86

River: ($22.41) 3 (2 players)
Seat 2 (BB) checks, Hero (UTG) bets $38.92 (all-in)
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-01-2021 , 08:29 PM
I don’t understand 3/4’ing flop with this combo. It seems like a straightforward check if we’re gonna go polar
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-01-2021 , 08:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnRusty
I don’t understand 3/4’ing flop with this combo. It seems like a straightforward check if we’re gonna go polar
Why though? Literally every turn except a 5 is bad for us
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-01-2021 , 09:23 PM
Flop is questionable.
55 could be too strong too turn itno bluff. When I turn pp into bluff ott I would usually x on brick rivers, because we have some sdv and bluff them on A Q T and diamond rivers.
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-01-2021 , 09:53 PM
You can get away with checking these hands at ignition 50nl. In optimal play, you should really never be getting to showdown with this hand and winning. However, in passive micro games they will not probe enough and let you win. Turn I think you have higher eq. hands to barrel here, although no doubt this might be mixed in sometimes but a bit of a fancy play
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-01-2021 , 10:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Why though? Literally every turn except a 5 is bad for us
Why bluff though? It seems like the only way to guarantee we won't win at showdown is to bluff
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-01-2021 , 10:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnRusty
Why bluff though? It seems like the only way to guarantee we won't win at showdown is to bluff
You need hands like these on certain run outs.

The K OTT--->/T OTR/Ace OTR/Q OTR

We can't just bluff gutshot equity because we will have no bluffs when the draws complete.

I think checking back river might be better though since people over fold to overbets OTT so they have a stronger than normal range OTR.

Another good point someone told me is that we would rather bluff with the 5d5x combos so our 5 has 2 live outs instead of 1. I never thought about that before.
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-01-2021 , 10:35 PM
the turn is deceptively bad for ip and i dont think you're going to want to do this too wide as a result. this also doesnt feel like a river spot we want to slam the money in without blockers.

edit: looks ok looking at the sim if pre is rare and turn is sometimes.

Last edited by submersible; 08-01-2021 at 10:50 PM.
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-01-2021 , 11:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by submersible
the turn is deceptively bad for ip and i dont think you're going to want to do this too wide as a result. this also doesnt feel like a river spot we want to slam the money in without blockers.

edit: looks ok looking at the sim if pre is rare and turn is sometimes.
why would pf be rare?
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-01-2021 , 11:38 PM
Check the river. We have some SDV vs AQdd/ATdd/2xdd hands. If you have to bluff, don't shove, as our blockers aren't good for shoving.
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-01-2021 , 11:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZKesic
Check the river. We have some SDV vs AQdd/ATdd/2xdd hands. If you have to bluff, don't shove, as our blockers aren't good for shoving.
What sizing would you go if you don't shove river?

Yeah I think checking river is better although shoving isn't negative EV.
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-01-2021 , 11:59 PM
I like a 1$ bet on the flop and if BB called I think we can size up on the turn since I think any of villains two-pairs should be betting out or check-raising turn. If he just check calls turn I think he has a-lot of weaker marginal hands, hands like some Jx,9x,2x, middle pocket pairs. Because you bet pot on the turn and were called I think the hands that are going to be calling are mostly going to be villains Jacks and Kings, maybe he is slow playing QT from time to time since he can have all combos in his range. Without knowing the player I think I like a give up on the river , a-lot of players get sticky to top pair I find, at least at my stakes. I think after his overbet call on the turn his range is slow played sets and QT. Kx and some Jx possibly.
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-02-2021 , 12:04 AM
In theory you should probably mainly shove. In reality you can bet ~75% with some hands like AA, if you don't expect opponent to check/shove super light.
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-02-2021 , 12:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
why would pf be rare?
55 lj is v low frequency open. i didnt see you were hj but its still a mix from there in the ranges i have
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-02-2021 , 12:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZKesic
In theory you should probably mainly shove. In reality you can bet ~75% with some hands like AA, if you don't expect opponent to check/shove super light.
Okay makes sense. What are your thought's on the cbet sizing? Do you like smaller?
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-02-2021 , 01:03 AM
I like all the sizings in the hand. You could go smaller on the flop, but it doesn't matter much.
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-02-2021 , 01:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
You need hands like these on certain run outs.

The K OTT--->/T OTR/Ace OTR/Q OTR

We can't just bluff gutshot equity because we will have no bluffs when the draws complete.

I think checking back river might be better though since people over fold to overbets OTT so they have a stronger than normal range OTR.

Another good point someone told me is that we would rather bluff with the 5d5x combos so our 5 has 2 live outs instead of 1. I never thought about that before.
I really think we're suffering from fancy play syndrome. GTOWizard doesn't bet these crappy pocket pairs for a large sizing. It will bet small at a very low frequency. It does bluff pretty much all our junk overcards

EDIT: I didn't see you were HJ, it's slightly different if HJ and 55 turns from a very low frequency small-bet to a low-frequency large and small. Still, if we think that the population under-bluffs/under-probes, that makes x'ing back these marginal SDV hands more attractive than bluffing, no?

Last edited by JohnRusty; 08-02-2021 at 01:16 PM.
Triple Barrel with the baby pocket Quote
08-02-2021 , 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnRusty
I really think we're suffering from fancy play syndrome. GTOWizard doesn't bet these crappy pocket pairs for a large sizing. It will bet small at a very low frequency. It does bluff pretty much all our junk overcards

EDIT: I didn't see you were HJ, it's slightly different if HJ and 55 turns from a very low frequency small-bet to a low-frequency large and small. Still, if we think that the population under-bluffs/under-probes, that makes x'ing back these marginal SDV hands more attractive than bluffing, no?
As ZK said - flop doesn't really matter much. It's the turn/river I was worried about it.

I could argue population under check-raises flop - which makes cbetting at a higher frequency more attractive.

Different sims will have different flop strategies, I have sims from GTOx that say this flop is bet ~70% of the time with 55.



Turn Strat



River strat

You can see the EV's OTR - solver likes a river check but it isn't negative EV to ship it.

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