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04-19-2021 , 03:00 PM
This hand has been posted from the reverse perspective of hero/villain, since I would like to hear the advice for the opponent here. So, I am villain and hero was my opponent.

I am the SB and have altered my strategy to a noticeable exploit vs pool. GTO would likely never flat from SB, imo.


6-max NLHE

Hero is BTN (110.3 bb stack)
Villain (me) is SB (100 bb stack)
UTG Limper (36 bb stack)

Dealt to Hero, AdJh

Preflop:

UTG limps 1bb, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4bb, SB villain calls, BB fold, UTG calls...

Flop (Pot = 13bb):

Tc 3d 2d

SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 3.5bb, SB calls, UTG folds

Turn (pot = 20bb)

Tc 3d 2d Ac

SB checks, Hero bets 6bb, SB raises to 28.5bb, Hero?

Last edited by robert_utk; 04-19-2021 at 03:10 PM.
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04-19-2021 , 04:21 PM
Well I'm just going to discuss the hand from the perspective of hero as it has been posted.

If I bet flop I'd be going quite large here. I don't see much incentive to have many small sizings in this spot IP after being checked to by what is 1 fish and potentially 2 fish.

There is also not really any reason to be going small on turn either and you're potentially inducing and actually in a weird spot now because of it. Typically players will significantly under x/r bluff post flop in general, but more specifically on turn, but here you went small on both flop and turn and there is a double flush draw and lots of straight draws.

I would never fold AJ on turn, but flop/turn sizings are not great.


Now from your perspective, I do not think flatting SB in this spot is bad (depending on the hand) as you can play a lot of hands reasonably easily vs one reg and one fish.
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04-19-2021 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Well I'm just going to discuss the hand from the perspective of hero as it has been posted.

If I bet flop I'd be going quite large here. I don't see much incentive to have many small sizings in this spot IP after being checked to by what is 1 fish and potentially 2 fish.

There is also not really any reason to be going small on turn either and you're potentially inducing and actually in a weird spot now because of it. Typically players will significantly under x/r bluff post flop in general, but more specifically on turn, but here you went small on both flop and turn and there is a double flush draw and lots of straight draws.

I would never fold AJ on turn, but flop/turn sizings are not great.


Now from your perspective, I do not think flatting SB in this spot is bad (depending on the hand) as you can play a lot of hands reasonably easily vs one reg and one fish.
I agree almost completely, though I'd raise sb unless bb is one of the fish. There is no reason to let him in fairly cheaply and then be oop in a 4 way pot with a hu hand.
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04-19-2021 , 05:11 PM
quarter pot on the flop is weird 3handed, we dont bluff that much but we have wide value range, so rather 50-60% pot, i dont like going bigger as we narrow villains continuing range too much, and our mid pp's and jacks want to get some actino from worse hands, and nuts want to induce some action, then turn i would lean towards checking, AP turn i think is bet call or bet fold villain dependant, ad is fun card, becouse it samhow narrows villain continuing range, but give us some aggro hi variance river plays on diamond runout against competetnt opponents
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04-19-2021 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Well I'm just going to discuss the hand from the perspective of hero as it has been posted.

If I bet flop I'd be going quite large here. I don't see much incentive to have many small sizings in this spot IP after being checked to by what is 1 fish and potentially 2 fish.

There is also not really any reason to be going small on turn either and you're potentially inducing and actually in a weird spot now because of it. Typically players will significantly under x/r bluff post flop in general, but more specifically on turn, but here you went small on both flop and turn and there is a double flush draw and lots of straight draws.

I would never fold AJ on turn, but flop/turn sizings are not great.


Now from your perspective, I do not think flatting SB in this spot is bad (depending on the hand) as you can play a lot of hands reasonably easily vs one reg and one fish.
Thanks for the assessment BrokenStars!

Tossing in 3.5bb oop multiway is quite an investment so I have to get a big payoff from time to time to recover it.

I think the BTN should call and reevaluate river.

My range construction for this SB flat are suited broadways JTs to ATs, and pocket pairs as strong as TT. I am concerned that maybe 22-44 are too weak and can run into too many oversets vs uncapped BTN?

If you are willing, would you evaluate my range construction. Personally, I am not concerned with drawing to underflushes with suited broadway hands.

Thanks
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04-19-2021 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by robert_utk
Thanks for the assessment BrokenStars!

Tossing in 3.5bb oop multiway is quite an investment so I have to get a big payoff from time to time to recover it.

I think the BTN should call and reevaluate river.

My range construction for this SB flat are suited broadways JTs to ATs, and pocket pairs as strong as TT. I am concerned that maybe 22-44 are too weak and can run into too many oversets vs uncapped BTN?

If you are willing, would you evaluate my range construction. Personally, I am not concerned with drawing to underflushes with suited broadway hands.

Thanks
I was mistaken in my summary of my range, I would not flat AKs or AQs, but would have flatted AJs, and ATs.

So that means AJs, ATs, KQs, KJs, KTs, QJs, QTs, and JTs plus 22-TT.
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04-19-2021 , 11:21 PM
probably fine ,would fold 55 66 also
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04-19-2021 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
probably fine ,would fold 55 66 also
Thanks!
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04-20-2021 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramius
quarter pot on the flop is weird 3handed, we dont bluff that much but we have wide value range, so rather 50-60% pot, i dont like going bigger as we narrow villains continuing range too much, and our mid pp's and jacks want to get some actino from worse hands, and nuts want to induce some action, then turn i would lean towards checking, AP turn i think is bet call or bet fold villain dependant, ad is fun card, becouse it samhow narrows villain continuing range, but give us some aggro hi variance river plays on diamond runout against competetnt opponents
What does AP mean??
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04-20-2021 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by kagokogo91
What does AP mean??
As played.
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04-20-2021 , 09:24 AM
I feel like I am never good in this spot. Exploitive me says fold; GTO me says call.
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