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05-25-2020 , 08:02 PM

leproso88

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 261.5 BB
UTG: 90 BB
Hero (MP): 114 BB
CO: 127 BB
BTN: 97.5 BB
SB: 108 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) A

SB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, SB calls 5 BB

Turn: (17 BB, 2 players) 2

SB checks, Hero bets 13 BB, SB calls 13 BB

River: (43 BB, 2 players) 6

SB checks, [color=red]Hero ???

Villain is 92/58 over 12 hands
OTR the 6 completed a gusthot with 84, another one with 43 and a BD flush. He called 2 big bets on previous streets and given his stats he could have any 2 pair hands, Ax, even 7x, but he probably doesn't have a set. Are we betting again? and how much? or do we check back and take a note?

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05-26-2020 , 02:11 AM

nonsimplesimon

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12 hands isn't enough. He could be running good and flatting a few pp... I think me likes a check ott.

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05-26-2020 , 06:31 AM

Gendibal29

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I'd bet/fold 26BB and watch him often call with AJ, AT, A9
If he had you beat he would probably have bet river.

At NL2 against a guy who looks loose (even if 12 hands is a very small samples, it is quite unlikely that he's 12/10 on the long run...) you'll get more value from inferior hands than you will loose against semi-strong hands that check for pot control and to induce.

Against a reg or at higher limits, checking back becomes the far superior option

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05-26-2020 , 07:34 AM

SlowRoller

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Those stats don't tell you a lot over 12 hands. Have you seen him do anything specific during previous hands that would make him a maniac? I think without a general idea of his tendencies (apart from the stats you have on him over 12 hands) I like a check here.

Btw, you should have that idea about him already if you've been paying attention to him the past hands. However, you didn't mention anything about it in your post so I'm assuming he hasn't shown particularly weird lines?

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05-26-2020 , 08:02 AM

dulcewolverine

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If he has has Ax(excluding AK and AA) or any pp less than JJ, then you are 2 to 1 vs that range.

Which makes this a clear value bet.

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05-26-2020 , 08:05 AM

SelimSuuuup

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Bet/Bet/Bet

I bet around 20bb and enjoy when he calls 99

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05-26-2020 , 10:48 AM

JohnRusty

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clear value bet

edit: eh maybe pump the breaks at some point

Last edited by JohnRusty; 05-26-2020 at 10:58 AM.

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05-26-2020 , 11:10 AM

SelimSuuuup

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Originally Posted by JohnRusty

clear value bet

edit: eh maybe pump the breaks at some point

This isn't a pump the brakes one for me. I bet.

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05-26-2020 , 12:51 PM

Akromah

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B/f half pot

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05-26-2020 , 01:58 PM

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wacker1913

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bet/bet/get it in

92/58 over 12 hands is a maniac for sure...

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05-26-2020 , 07:49 PM

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Akromah

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Originally Posted by wacker1913

bet/bet/get it in

92/58 over 12 hands is a maniac for sure...

You want him to gii when all draws get there after firing 3 streets?

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05-26-2020 , 08:44 PM

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Coz

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Originally Posted by Gendibal29

I like this approach. I think that we can be a little less scared that he has a flush since we have the A of diamonds. If we didn't have the A of diamonds, I may check this back. However, with the A of diamonds, I think we can bet this for value.

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05-27-2020 , 02:14 AM

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wacker1913

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Originally Posted by Akromah

You want him to gii when all draws get there after firing 3 streets?

I want to make the most EV+ play

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05-27-2020 , 03:02 AM

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wacker1913

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Originally Posted by Akromah

You want him to gii when all draws get there after firing 3 streets?

All draws? Backdoor flush draw and gutshots 89/48?

I fire 3 streets and think I win much more than checking thiis river...

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05-28-2020 , 12:24 AM

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leproso88

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fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) A

SB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, SB calls 5 BB

Turn: (17 BB, 2 players) 2

SB checks, Hero bets 13 BB, SB calls 13 BB

River: (43 BB, 2 players) 6

SB checks, Hero bets 13 BB, SB raises to 26 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

SB shows 8

(Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 39%, Flop 24%, Turn 18%)
Hero mucks A

(One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 61%, Flop 76%, Turn 82%)
SB wins 91.5 BB

Here are results, I see opinions are divided between bet/bet/bet and checking on 1 street. I bet small OTR to get calls from 7x or something like that. Obviously once he mini checkraised me, I'm beaten almost always, but I'm getting "such good odds", that I called and took a note

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05-28-2020 , 03:29 AM

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Gendibal29

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Originally Posted by leproso88

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) A

SB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, SB calls 5 BB

Turn: (17 BB, 2 players) 2

SB checks, Hero bets 13 BB, SB calls 13 BB

River: (43 BB, 2 players) 6

SB checks, Hero bets 13 BB, SB raises to 26 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

SB shows 8

(Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 39%, Flop 24%, Turn 18%)
Hero mucks A

Against a player who called the gutshot on the turn and minraise when he got it, I like even better the bet (and fold if reraised)
This kind of V is very straightforward

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05-28-2020 , 04:35 AM

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SlowRoller

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Originally Posted by Gendibal29

Against a player who called the gutshot on the turn and minraise when he got it, I like even better the bet (and fold if reraised)
This kind of V is very straightforward

Yes definitely, now we know Villain indeed is a maniac and river is a clear bet

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05-28-2020 , 08:02 AM

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Akromah

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Originally Posted by wacker1913

All draws? Backdoor flush draw and gutshots 89/48?

I fire 3 streets and think I win much more than checking thiis river...

I'm not advocating checking at all. I b/f 3 streets and fold river. You said get it in.

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05-28-2020 , 08:34 AM

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wacker1913

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Originally Posted by Akromah

I'm not advocating checking at all. I b/f 3 streets and fold river. You said get it in.

I would bet flop big / overbet turn / shove river - yes

Villain calls 3 streets probably with every Ax (which id a big part of his range) - maybe calls 7x or 86....
Yeah - I would get it in

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