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10-13-2018 , 11:37 PM
Vil is a reg 22/18 and defends 3bet 50% of the time I. 36% AF, 70% W$SD and 50% WWSF

Think I'm ahead of alot of his range after he calls the turn. OTR I don't think I'm getting called by worse, but I think there's alot of NFDs and GSSD+FD combos that brick and want to bluff so I liked the check/call line, although didn't think I'd see a shove.

Vil is basically repping QT, although there are a few 6x possible too. Are there enough bluffs here to call?


[converted_hand][hand_history]WPN, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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Hero (SB): $19.96 (199.6 bb)
BB: $9.18 (91.8 bb)
UTG: $9.40 (94 bb)
MP: $10.13 (101.3 bb)
CO: $10.69 (106.9 bb)
BTN: $7.85 (78.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T A
2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, CO calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.10) 6 T 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.11, CO calls $1.11

Turn: ($4.32) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.05, CO calls $2.05

River: ($8.42) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6.53, Hero?
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10-13-2018 , 11:51 PM
I’d range check turn since the 6 is a bad card for you. Qxdd seems plausible. What’s Villains river aggression? His line has more 6x then missed FDs because a 6 always plays the hand this way and a flush draw will sometimes raise the flop or turn.

In game I probably call too but after thinking about it, it’s a fold. People don’t bluff here that often because they expect to get picked off.
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10-14-2018 , 03:08 AM
I'm ok with turn barrel and sizing, would check worse tens
river check is good and prob c/c readless
high variance spot
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10-14-2018 , 03:33 AM
Idk, probably leaning towards a fold.

I think your OOP 3bet sizing is way too small.
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10-14-2018 , 03:58 AM
yeah, it's prob so close that if you know that calling and seeing a better hands would tilt you, best be avoided.
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10-14-2018 , 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I’d range check turn since the 6 is a bad card for you.
Why is it bad for hero's range?
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10-14-2018 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Idk, probably leaning towards a fold.

I think your OOP 3bet sizing is way too small.
Yes, what is up with all the small bet-sizing? I see way more virtual minraising and underbetting on all kinds of wet boards now.

OP - 3-bet more OOP, you're just asking to play big pots with marginal hands OOP against a fairly undefined calling range. Is that what you want?

As played it's close on river but I call vs this reg. That's a scarecard, villain has no special reason to have a lot of Qs in his range, draws missed.
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10-14-2018 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr_Doctr
Yes, what is up with all the small bet-sizing? I see way more virtual minraising and underbetting on all kinds of wet boards now.

OP - 3-bet more OOP, you're just asking to play big pots with marginal hands OOP against a fairly undefined calling range. Is that what you want?

As played it's close on river but I call vs this reg. That's a scarecard, villain has no special reason to have a lot of Qs in his range, draws missed.
This is a standard 3bet from the SB to a CO open
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10-14-2018 , 09:27 AM
I think raising a bit more is better, and that was fairly standard doctrine as far as I was aware. Would like to hear reasons why 3x is better than 4x OOP under normal conditions.

Also I don't see why 6 is a bad card for us.
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10-14-2018 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr_Doctr
Yes, what is up with all the small bet-sizing? I see way more virtual minraising and underbetting on all kinds of wet boards now.

OP - 3-bet more OOP, you're just asking to play big pots with marginal hands OOP against a fairly undefined calling range. Is that what you want?

As played it's close on river but I call vs this reg. That's a scarecard, villain has no special reason to have a lot of Qs in his range, draws missed.

3 bet oop amount from op is completely standard...

There really isn't alot of draws in this board only 4x5x/xdxd.

AP, I think I find a fold although holding no diamonds makes this harder. I don't think V shows up with enough air or weaker tpwk hands to justify a 75% psb otr. If bet was </= 1/2 psb though I call.
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10-14-2018 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr_Doctr
I think raising a bit more is better, and that was fairly standard doctrine as far as I was aware. Would like to hear reasons why 3x is better than 4x OOP under normal conditions.

Also I don't see why 6 is a bad card for us.
76s,65s and A6s can be in Vils range but are almost never in mine here.

Range from the SB is merged and I always just pot in that situation
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10-14-2018 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 21Outer
3 bet oop amount from op is completely standard...

There really isn't alot of draws in this board only 4x5x/xdxd.

AP, I think I find a fold although holding no diamonds makes this harder. I don't think V shows up with enough air or weaker tpwk hands to justify a 75% psb otr. If bet was </= 1/2 psb though I call.
So if this spot isn't going to get bluffed at alot, do you think a bet/fold is a better OTR to get value from the other Ts?
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10-14-2018 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
This is a standard 3bet from the SB to a CO open
1.10 to 1.20 is much better here. He's going to get called way to often with his sizing. And I'd keep bumping it up if they still keep calling too often.
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10-14-2018 , 01:52 PM
3b sizing is fine ffs
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10-14-2018 , 04:56 PM
Every action (and sizing) looks reasonable to me. Definitely checking river. Possibly call vs this aggro guy, as he has to bluff with 54s and diamonds.
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10-14-2018 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Nothing Ventured
76s,65s and A6s can be in Vils range but are almost never in mine here.

Range from the SB is merged and I always just pot in that situation
+1 I need results haha
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10-14-2018 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
3b sizing is fine ffs
Agree who cares about the sizing. Postflop is what matters
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10-14-2018 , 05:37 PM
It only doesn't matter if you like playing 3bet pots OOP. You might not have to end up in this or other postflop situations if you size up. I mean I do 10x vs 3x opens IP vs people who don't like to fold to 3bets to charge them for their mistake half the time.
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10-14-2018 , 06:01 PM
Everything matters, ofc.
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10-15-2018 , 03:27 AM
turn is very close between betting and checking
leanings towards a check since youll be perceived to underbluff ott and hell probs stab a lotta junk once checked to

ap river is a relatively easy call?

3b sizing is fine but its better to make it bigger in high rake environments
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10-15-2018 , 08:23 PM
I think small bet/fold is option.You get called by KT JT 9T 8T you put in tough spot small pocket pairs like 77-99.
C/c fine as well if you think he is going to overbluff with missed FD
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10-15-2018 , 08:25 PM
I think small bet/fold is option.You get called by KT JT 9T 8T you put in tough spot small pocket pairs like 77-99.
C/c fine as well if you think he is going to overbluff with missed FD
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