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05-13-2021 , 06:31 AM
How can you stay calm vs these plays?
Should we expo fold these spots?

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $5.00 (100 bb)
MP: $10.91 (218 bb)
CO: $5.80 (116 bb)
BU: $6.72 (134 bb)
SB: $5.07 (101 bb)
BB (Hero): $5.16 (103 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with A T
2 players fold, CO raises to $0.15, 2 players fold, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) 5 A A (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.64) K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.31, Hero calls $0.31

River: ($1.26) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5.18 (all-in)
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05-13-2021 , 06:40 AM
Try this, name all value combos that he can have that he plays like this, and then name bluff combos that he can have and try to remember if people actually show up with that type of bluffs on this limits...
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05-13-2021 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by YouBetIcall
Try this, name all value combos that he can have that he plays like this, and then name bluff combos that he can have and try to remember if people actually show up with that type of bluffs on this limits...
you mean, always folding is ideal, right?
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05-13-2021 , 07:00 AM
I think here you can actually use MDF to decide on a call. MDF on the river is roughly 22%, so go over your range pf, then estimate the range you would call on the flop facing this bet (remember to exclude those hands you would raise). Then, do the same thing on the turn, and with the hands left, you have to call 21% of those. I reckon you'll find that you don't actually have to call that many of your Ax hands on the river (although you might actually have to call this specific combo, I'm not too sure). It might even be that you get here and only have to call your full houses, you'd have to check that.

My point is that even if villain is balanced here, you shouldn't actually be calling that many hands. And my recollection of 5nl is that massive river overbets like this one were not balanced (to be balanced here would require them to be bluffing 50% of the time), so once you've figured out how many combos you "should" be calling if villain were balanced, you can then start removing a decent amount of those left exploitatively.

If I were to guess, I think you may be able to fold all hands that aren't full houses, and I wouldn't even rule 55 being more profitable as a fold than a call in this specific spot at 5nl. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be able to fold 55 here, but it would be worth considering.

In any case, if you go over this hand as I suggested, I think you might be surprised at how many hands you can fold and be balanced in this spot.
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05-13-2021 , 07:14 AM
folding this is not even explo imo, hes saying he has KK,55 so u dont even block much value. Standard fold
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05-13-2021 , 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by aner0
hes saying he has KK,55 so u dont even block much value
what??

how can you block that?
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05-13-2021 , 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by kontost
you mean, always folding is ideal, right?
what I'm saying is someone say it's always fold or it's wlways call, you will not learn anything since you have no idea why it's fold/call

but if you take time, and start looking at his value range vs bluff range, you might learn something, and when in similar spot, you'll remember that.

I can tell you that yes, I'd fold here, if that helps
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05-13-2021 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by YouBetIcall
what??

how can you block that?
The only way a bluff catcher is a pure call in theory is if it blocks value, here we don't block much value, therfor I hypothesize that it mixes folds in theory, in practice though its slam dunk fold
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05-13-2021 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by aner0
The only way a bluff catcher is a pure call in theory is if it blocks value, here we don't block much value, therfor I hypothesize that it mixes folds in theory, in practice though its slam dunk fold
how are we not blocking value here? so from what you're saying is that you would prefer to have Kx or 5x hand over AT here?
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05-13-2021 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by YouBetIcall
how are we not blocking value here? so from what you're saying is that you would prefer to have Kx or 5x hand over AT here?
what im saying is exactly what i said and nothing more than that


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05-13-2021 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by aner0
what im saying is exactly what i said and nothing more than that
No, that's not true, what you said in first your first post was that he doesn't block K or 5 which is not as important as it is to block A and that's why AT and AJ call some time but Kx never
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05-13-2021 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by YouBetIcall
No, that's not true, what you said in first your first post was that he doesn't block K or 5 which is not as important as it is to block A and that's why AT and AJ call some time but Kx never
I don't know man, if you want to read into it more than what I said it's up to you, I was just giving reasons as to why trips here is not as good as it might seem. As soon as we don't beat any value we need very strong blockers to pure call huge bets, and in this board we don't have any hands with very strong blockers nor hands that beat value, so we don't pure call any combo
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05-13-2021 , 10:31 AM
But the thing you posted is calling with a fair bit of naked aces?
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05-13-2021 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by alpha2112
But the thing you posted is calling with a fair bit of naked aces?
And at no point I've said any of these pure fold in theory, cause it was pretty clear they wouldn't.
All I said it's a standard fold in theory, and that its a mandatory fold in practice at those stakes
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