100 big blind starting stacks

Btn opens 2.5bb
BB calls

6d6c6h (5.5bb)
BB X
BTN bets 1.5bb
BB calls

6d6c6h5d
BB X
BTN X

6d6c6h5dKd

Questions:
1. Assuming a third x from BB, what is the worst hand we (button) are betting for value?
2. What hands make the best bluffs on boards like this?
3. If BB donks, what’s the worst hand we’re calling with?
4. If BB donks, do we have a bluff raising range?

(If anyone really wants to go deep, Incan provide btn’s exact range OTR.


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1. any flush to get called by worse
2. which spot? high/middle cards on the flop, decreasing to junk by the river
3. see 1
4. If we have an A or Q guess we could theoretically consider a bluff. But fold equity is pretty low so I doubt we have much of a bluff range here

This was my main hang up. Boats are so easy to have, is a flush really a value bet here? (I’m not arguing against you, I’m genuinely unsure.)


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A-high might call but yeah, very thin, and opening ourselves up to serious pain if x/r. Can't see anything being massively +EV either way on a freak board like this

1 I think you can value bet flushes, but not all of them. A/Q/J high flushes, not sure I'd go much lower than that though.
2 otf, I'd say anything which blocks 6x hands is good. So, 75, A7, A5, 78, 45, especially those without an A, as they also block some pp villain could have. Ott, those hands and FD. OTR, I'd say anything which blocks potential calls that aren't likely to bet out, so hands like 43 or 78, blocking small pp and 5x 6x hands.
3 I'd consider calling down with some a highs, depending on size. For say 2/3 pot, I'd consider calling with AdTx or Ad9x (blocking offsuit Kx villain might have called pre, as well as the nut flush).
4 Always have a bluff raising range! (In theory) Tough for choosing what to use. I'd say something that blocks Kx hands from villain, because that's what you have to be most scared of villain having, and what you're repping. So, maybe T9/J9/JT/J8/T8/98 type hands.

Thanks guys!

His hand is from range vs range and I realized that I have no clue what to do OTR. I’ve been working on protecting my x range, so I have some nuts combos (3 combos of quads, 2 combos each of AA-TT) and Ad7d+, so even though x turn, I’m not capped, though V probably thinks I am.

So considering I have so many boats, quads, and nut flushes, I should bet a high frequency/small size here? Like 1/4-1/2 pot?


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Honestly, not too sure what the best sizing would be, but I'd be going pretty big, probably 2x pot or bigger with some hands, and maybe have a smaller size as well. If you've got a decent amount of strong fh or quads, you want to go big here I reckon, keep a few of them for the smaller sizing though, and stick your flushes in there too.

Hmm. Just ran a quick solve and we should bet larger on the flop with ~70% of range. If we do depol then Pio double barrels again with 70% range (mixed sizes).

So is this a human hand or have they deliberately set this up as a test? I'm not sure what they're getting at with this question. If we misplay the flop then misplay the turn what is our river range? i don't know how range v range works but imo this is so off the rails it's just noise.

AP, solver is bluffing anything that isn't an Ace. But it has so little of it's range left by that point that we can't take that figure for granted. Checks flushes.

RvR has you construct bet/x/call/etc ranges. Then tells you what action you took and the range you took that action with is your range on the next street. It’s just an exercise in range construction.

My range after betting flop and checking turn is:

AsAh,AdAc,KsKh,KdKc,QsQh,QdQc,JsJh,JdJc,TsTh,TdTc, 9s9h,9d9c,8s8h,8d8c,7s7h,7d7c,5s5h,5s5c,5h5c,44-22,A7s+,As5s,Ah5h,Ac5c,A4s-A2s,K7s+,Ks6s,Ks5s,Kh5h,Kc5c,K4s-K2s,Q7s+,Qs6s,Qs5s,Qh5h,Qc5c,Qh4h,Qc4c,J7s+,T7s+,T s6s,97s+,8s7s,8h7h,8c7c,8s5s,8h5h,8c5c,7s5s,7h5h,7 c5c,7s4s,6s4s,5s4s,5h4h,5c4c,5s3s,5c3c,4h3h,AJo-A7o,As5h,As5c,Ah5s,Ah5c,Ad5s,Ad5h,Ad5c,Ac5s,Ac5h,A 4o,K9o+,Ks8c,Kd8s,Kc8h,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o,9s8h,9h8s,9h8 d,9h8c,9d8h,9d8c,9c8s,9c8d

I’m fully ok admitting I botched this hand. I haven’t seen a lot of these boards and I messed it up. Now I’m trying to learn from it. I appreciate your time and responses and the solve.


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Ah, sorry, I thought it was a set-up from a training site.

Solver seems to think this a blasting spot flop and turn. Which I didn't know so glad you asked.

Worst hand betting for value would be a flush.

In practice BU will dubble barrel (close to) all FH ott. So when BU xb ott his range will have so much air except some hands that makes flushes and Kx that makes FH otr. Since few people xb FH ott we get to bet flushes for value otr.

If BB checks otr we want to get him to fold his Ax if we bluff.

I wouldn't worry about xb many FH ott. If you really want to, don't xb big PP. Those want to bet 3 streets. Rather xb low FH:s and use them to bluffcatch if BB bets river.

Thank you all so much for the thoughts and the solve.

BB checked river. I bet 2x pot with 50% of my range. 30% boats/quads and 20% air. Hey haven’t responded yet.


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